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Old 06-18-2012, 10:31 AM
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are we saying we should take everyone we believe is a thug and turn the tazer, batons and police dogs loose on them? I've seen enough false arrest and false charge reports to know that you can't believe everything on the arrest record. the system is set up to report negative information.

speaking of false arrest and charges, may I suggest this book for further reading.......happens all the time in this country especially in JERKWATER.

Amazon.com: The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town (9780345532015): John Grisham: Books
I hardly think LA is going to be Jerkwater. Still, if you think that just because it happened in Jerkwater it is prevalent and happening on a regular basis more frequently than not, please, make the case.

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I hardly think LA is going to be Jerkwater. Still, if you think that just because it happened in Jerkwater it is prevalent and happening on a regular basis more frequently than not, please, make the case.
Read the book, then may I suggest moving to Jerkwater to get a real taste of how things work in Hazard county. Ada, Oklahoma might be a good place for you to try out because the prosecutors who put Ron Williamson in jail are still on the job.

it doesn't matter if we prosecute the actual perp, the only thing that matters is that we prosecute SOMEBODY so that the public believes that "we are tough on crime". Flip a coin and pick someone to prosecute, then make the "facts" fit the case.
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Anyone who thinks the police have a license to kill in the US, has not been paying much attention to the wrath that the police deal with on a daily basis. It's almost impossible for them to do their job in many cases because they are so tightly constrained.

From time to time, there are rogue cops as there are in all professions. They have to be dealt with. The problem is that the current constraints on the police are as if they are ALL rogues.

With the bad guys dealing with police forces that have no teeth, it's no wonder there are so many punks on the street. In the event that one of the punks is taken off the street they get free tuition in the Criminal University called the prison system and then when they make it back to the street, they are REAL criminals. The cops still have their hands tied when dealing with them.
We have a paid security force known as the police. Only there are a few problems with this idea. One, the police have little personal stake in finding the bad guys. they are city employes getting paid to do a job. Second, they want to go home at night to that lovely little wife and children therefore may not want to risk a shoot out. Thirdly, the courts have ruled time and again that when the police fail to answer a 911 call, both the police and the cities cannot be sued for lack of performance.

Let's go backwards in time for a moment to the days of the Posse. A shop owner is robbed so a posse is formed of the local towns people and shop owners. The people who had a personal stake in the matter. They are motivated to find the bad guy(s) and get rid of the problem because they know if they don't catch them, the bad guys will come back and do something worse. They saddle up and go find 'em and when they do they arrest them and bring them back for trial. Back in those days, every county court was a supreme court. No appeals. If found guilty, a hanging was in order, if found innocent, the accused walked free. Simple and easy and no paid police were involved. Another great benefit with this system was no prisons were needed. Think of the $$$$$$ savings!

Back in the days when people took responsibility for their own lives instead of screaming for politicians to "hire more police".

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Old 06-18-2012, 11:07 AM
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We have a paid security force known as the police. Only there are a few problems with this idea. One, the police have little personal stake in finding the bad guys. Second, they want to go home at night to that lovely little wife and children therefore may not want to risk a shoot out. Thirdly, the courts have ruled time and again that when the police fail to answer a 911 call, both the police and the cities cannot be sued for lack of performance.

Let's go backwards in time for a moment to the days of the Posse. A shop owner is robbed so a posse is formed of the local towns people and shop owners. Those people who have a personal stake in the matter. They are motivated to find the bad guy(s) and get rid of the problem. They saddle up and go find 'em and when they do, they hang 'em. Simple and easy and no paid police are involved. Back in the days when people took responsibility for their own lives instead of screaming for politicians to "hire more police".

The posse! I LIKE IT! What can we do to bring it back? In spite of the image put forth in the old Western movies, I'll bet they had a much lower crime rate when crime was dealt with in this way.
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Judge Roy Bean got paid for hangings ,when a judge has that much power over an individual ,guilty or innocent ,it seems the Legal System goes south.
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The posse! I LIKE IT! What can we do to bring it back? In spite of the image put forth in the old Western movies, I'll bet they had a much lower crime rate when crime was dealt with in this way.
no prisons were needed and yes, a lot less crime. when someone has a personal stake in the issue, they tend to be more motivated to do something about the issue. Today's sheeple have been dumbed down into believing they need every form of entitlement the government offers up including calling the police for every little problem.
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Judge Roy Bean got paid for hangings ,when a judge has that much power over an individual ,guilty or innocent ,it seems the Legal System goes south.
yes, being paid for guilty verdicts only encourages corruption.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:40 PM
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Read the book, then may I suggest moving to Jerkwater to get a real taste of how things work in Hazard county. Ada, Oklahoma might be a good place for you to try out because the prosecutors who put Ron Williamson in jail are still on the job.

it doesn't matter if we prosecute the actual perp, the only thing that matters is that we prosecute SOMEBODY so that the public believes that "we are tough on crime". Flip a coin and pick someone to prosecute, then make the "facts" fit the case.
I generally stay away from oddball cases so unless someone can say "That is what happens everywhere and every day", I am not interested. I have no interest in what happens in Jerkwater unless it happens everywhere and everyday. Beyond that, it is little more than an aberration. If you want perfection, move to Utopia. FWIW, I was in a small town where the sheriff could openly berate "them n1****s" in a restaurant. I can only imagine his method of handling them is not far behind nor was the judge at the table.

When you get busted once, maybe you have been picked on. However, when you have frequent run in situations with the law, that "Jerkwater Excuse" kinda wears thin.
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Can't remember where I read it; that people who live in Jerkwater are TWICE as likely to be wrongfully prosecuted for a crime they did not commit than people who live in the big city. There is far more exposure in Jerkwater to other a** holes who may find any little reason under the sun to go after you. remember, people are jerks and given the opportunity they will live up to their reputation. things really are getting worse all over.

I like your idea about obliterating all life on earth.
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Can't remember where I read it; that people that live in Jerkwater are TWICE as likely to be wrongfully prosecuted for a crime they did not commit than people who live in the big city. There is far more exposure in Jerkwater to other a** holes who may find any little reason under the sun to go after you. remember, people are jerks and given the opportunity they will live up to their reputation. things really are getting worse all over.

I like your idea about obliterating all life on earth.
RK was not in some small town with 2 cops so I guess not. In fact, if you look at the rap sheet, they went out of their way to not charge him after that. However, his history and future kinda shot the "Jerkwater Excuse" out of the water, IMO.
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L.A. is a collection of many little Jerkwaters unified under one city and county. Though from what I understand, their police farce has been cleaned up quite a bit since the 90s.

As far as it being OK to use the n---bomb -- remember Detective Mark Fuhrman?
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L.A. is a collection of many little Jerkwaters unified under one city and county. Though from what I understand, their police farce has been cleaned up quite a bit since the 90s.

As far as it being OK to use the n---bomb -- remember Detective Mark Fuhrman?
Fuhrman will go down in history as OJ's best friend. as far as the police farce, I've spoken to some people who live in the not so nice areas of LA and they tell me the cops are worse than ever. As a matter of fact, many are MOVING out of LA over this particular issue.......

I've noticed that the poor and people of certain particular races have little to no trust of the cops. Rich white people seem to like the cops a lot.
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no prisons were needed and yes, a lot less crime. when someone has a personal stake in the issue, they tend to be more motivated to do something about the issue. Today's sheeple have been dumbed down into believing they need every form of entitlement the government offers up including calling the police for every little problem.

A good example of this was in the news last week. There was a guy who called 911 and gave a LENGTHY complaint about a sandwich shop not making his sandwich to suit him.

The operator FINALLY told him to walk out and take his business elsewhere. I wonder if someone was trying to reach 911 with a REAL emergency at the same time.
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The posse! I LIKE IT! What can we do to bring it back? In spite of the image put forth in the old Western movies, I'll bet they had a much lower crime rate when crime was dealt with in this way.
first, the people would have to demand it. second, training in arrest procedures as well as the use of firearms would be needed. third, a time commitment would be required on the part of the people chosen to participate. this is why it will never happen; today's sheeple want the government to do the heavy lifting while they sip on a tall cool beer and watch a movie.

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