Eric Holder After Meeting Discusses Issa's "Political Gamesmenship"--"The Ball's In Their Court" - Greg Hengler

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I don't see this ending well for Issa. Americans are not well informed, but they know a partisan bully when the see one.

Hmmm... so you see no need to disclose documents? Are you not concerned about the integrity of our Attorney General?

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Depends on which documents. The separation of powers thing goes two ways. There are certain things the executive branch is entitled to keep to itself.Unfortunately, integrity seems to have become a relative thing in politics. Holder might have some BS to him, but relative to Issa or to Holder's predecessors at DOJ, Holder is a paragon of integrity. In the present battle over these documents, if it comes down to his word against the word of Issa and the other Republicans on that Committee, I am going with Holder 10 out of 10 times.

OH, so just because someone is a Republican, they are incapable of integrity?

For me, just because someone is a politician or appointed by a politician puts their integrity in serious question.

The sad thing is that you seem to have no desire to know the truth. Holder is stonewalling and everyone knows it. Sadder yet, is that no one seems to care.

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I have no idea where you get any of that.

Well, it's not the first time people have been blinded by their ideology!

Does it not bother you that an American Border Patrol agent was killed as a result of this program?

You know, the most interesting part of this whole thing is that the guys in DC never seem to learn. Nixon learned that Watergate in itself wasn't the problem, it was the cover up that was the problem.

Clinton didn't learn from that. He chose to just lie through his teeth. Instead of saying "I didn't have sex with that woman...." if he had just said "okay, you caught me, but it sure was fun, that chick does some good work," then some heck would have been raised for a day or two and it would have been over.

If at the beginning of this mess, if Holder had just said, "hey, we tried this and it didn't work!" Our intentions were good, but we just made a mistake. Everyone including myself would have been impressed with his honesty, and it would have been forgotten almost immediately. He didn't do that though. He chooses to cover it up.

EVERYONE makes mistakes..... well, er, maybe everyone except your beloved B.O. When people make mistakes, own up to them and learn from them, they are usually admired for such an attitude, but the folks in DC never seem to learn this.

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I am probably one of the 300 million Americans who are not well informed, so maybe you can answer this one. Why would Mr. Holder not disclose the documents he already predetermined he is Ok in disclosing? It is a simple binary decision. Instead, he and others have wasted a bunch of time and money in this game. Either hand over what you feel is appropriate to be handed over or not. Period.

Instead, there is a "condition" that if Holder hands over whatever he claims is pre-approved to be handed over, then that ends the inquiry for the most part. That is pretty illogical because if it's already pre-approved for discloser, then how could there be a pre-condition ? It is these on-going games which probably creates the poorly informed America you comment on. How could anyone be "informed" when even the Holder's of the world cannot give a straight or logical response. If Holder does not want to disclose anything, then don't. Period.

Either there is a mechanism in the law which gives the other branches of government the right to have access to this information or they don't. I would force the issue and see what the impartial courts have to say. Maybe there are some documents that make Holder look really bad and maybe he has been hiding the ball for months in a cover-up. Or, maybe not. If there was no cover-up and no bad documents out there, I guess Mr. Holder would be super fast to open up the books instead of telling our elected representatives that he will determine in advance what one can and cannot look at. Better yet, no one elected Holder and not one vote was casted in his name, but he is telling our elected officials what can and cannot be looked at. Now that sounds a little odd or off to me, but I am one of the many misinformed or non-informed voters but I generally look for accountability in our public officials. Because Holder never needed one vote for his government job, then I guess he has the privilege of telling the elected officials what they can look at or not. Or, at least telling them that if he discloses something, then that should make them happy. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Let the above writings be a lesson to you. This is the kind of common sense and intelligence that can be developed from driving a car with manual steering!

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That is an insulting question that has nothing to do with Issa's subpeona.

You lost me. Holder says the documents requested are not the sort of thing that law enforcement is supposed to release. Do you have some basis to suggest that he is wrong when he says that these documents are not the sort that should be disclosed?

UNRELATED? The death of an American due to this program is UNRELATED? I'm doing my very best to understand how that is possible.

BTW, your refusing to acknowledge that an American died as a result of this program is the viewpoint that YOU put forth, not me. If you are insulted by your own refusal to acknowledge the fact, I'm sorry for that.

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I am quite sure that Issa and his group would be satisfied with the documents remaining classified and viewed behind closed doors. It's already been brought up.

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Ok, you successfully baited me. See, I told you that I am one of the 300 million poorly informed Americans and I just lose out to those in the know. I wonder who this super minority of those who "know" are. I like to meet a few more than one or two here and there. And yes, Larry Bible is probably one of those I would consider in the know, but everyone seems to dog pile on him when he expresses his opinion.

Here is my "basis" --

If Holder has no legal duty to disclose or better yet, he has a legal duty to not disclose as you suggest, then he should man up and tell the world the same. Instead, he is being coy and cute and saying he will cough up some documents but that ends the ballgame. Sort of like telling a child that you will give-in partially, but that child better stop asking for whatever. So, "my basis" is a simple suggestion that if you want me to disprove a negative proposition, then I will admit up front that I cannot and I cannot do so because it is logically impossible and I am not trying to be cute or coy -- it is just the way it is. Sort of like saying Holder could go onto TV and tell the world that he cannot disclose whatever these elected politicians seek because of law enforcement policy or how the game is played. THEN, the elected officials could test Holder's theory or not. If they test it and lose, then the world has its answer. If Holder loses, then the world can see what Holder is holding back. Instead, the whole issue is clouded with this silly game back and forth. So, that is my basis. So, assuming my basis is accurate, then I wonder why Holder and the rest play this game. It seems like they prefer to cloud the issue with this non-sense and get hung up on these side line issues instead of simply saying to the world, "yes -- here are the doc's" or "no, -- I will not disclose because ..."

So, don't be lost or confused. Take a moment and reflect how easy our political friends would have it if they simply said "yes" or "no" to the questions posed to them. My overall guess is that the uninformed Americans would become very well informed super fast if the Holder's of the world just gave simple responses to very simple questions. BUT -- I know -- the questions are not simple and the circle completes itself.