Hey, Speedy, whaddaya think of Bloomie's latest?

[Can't Know]

Full article here: New York Mayor Suggests Shaming Speeders As Form Of Punishment

Bloomberg, frustrated with the state legislature's unwillingness to vote on proposed speed-cameras that would be placed in the city's most dangerous intersections, voiced his idea on his radio show on Friday in order to slow down speeders and keep residents safe.

"We'll put up their names and pictures someplace," he said. "Maybe we can shame them, and we should look at that, because if Albany is not going to let us do this stuff, we've got to save lives."

[spdrun]

If the cameras stay on residential streets, not on expressways with artificially low speed limits, and have some speed tolerance, I'm not all that opposed. Though he's been trying to ram speed cameras through the State House for quite a long time without success.

Not sure how the shaming idea would work, since the plate is owned by the owner, not the driver. You'd have a lot of "AVIS Rent-a-Car" and "ZipCar" entries in the hall of shame.

[BAVBMW]

Why would I be ashamed of breaking the speed limit? Heck, most people I know would treat it as a badge of honor...

MV

[spdrun]

Originally Posted by BAVBMW

Why would I be ashamed of breaking the speed limit? Heck, most people I know would treat it as a badge of honor..

On the freeway or a rural 2-lane, for sure. On a crowded NYC street with people/kids crossing, cyclists, etc: no thanks. Too much chance of squishing something.

[BAVBMW]

Originally Posted by spdrun

On the freeway or a rural 2-lane, for sure. On a crowded NYC street with people/kids crossing, cyclists, etc: no thanks. Too much chance of squishing something.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't typically speed on surface streets, and you should see the ruckus I often cause by slowing to 25mph in school zones, but...

I decide how fast I drive, not a sign by the side of the road. If there are others about, either in vehicle, on foot, or on bikes, I drive accordingly. Most of the time, it happens to be around the posted limit, sometimes higher, sometimes lower, but generally around the limit. However, if I was on a city street during a slack time and I opted to drive faster, and a camera caught me doing so, so the next day my face and name were posted somewhere public with the info that I was doing 47mph in a 30mph zone... Why would I feel shame? What about this would cause me to change my future behavior? Basically, so what?

MV

[Stoney]

The driver is cited for speeding not the car and there must be a verifiable method of measurement (which they have) and a Law Enforcement Officer (which they don't have) to witness and cite the DRIVER.

The LEO must have the DRIVERS License and Registration to write a legal citation.

They cannot just send the ticket to the registered owner and say "Pay Up" as they must catch you in the act and ID and cite you.

A camera can do only 1 of these 3. Aerial Speed Surveilance is used by NY State Cops but there is a Trooper to stop you and cite you.

No LEO, No DL and No Reg = No Legal citation.

That is why Speed Cameras have been shot down in other states (and it wouldn't surprise me if they were literally shot down off the pole in NYC).

Bloomie is despirate to up the city's income and has so far been shot down on several fronts.

If he wants to do the "shame" deal then I hope the city has deep pockets because I can see the lawsuits coming now...

[spdrun]

No reason they can't change the law to allow citing the owner. This already happens with red-light cameras.

BTW, pig-cameras in California actually do take a pic of the driver, and you get points for red-light running caught on camera. No speed cameras, thankfully yet.

[MTI]

Last week there was a report of an interesting experiment to deter speeders.

Drivers in the experiment agreed to have a GPS device installed in their cars, and were promised a $25 reward at the end of the week for staying at or below speed limits. Exceeding the speed limit by up to eight miles per hour cost three cents for each occurrence; breaking it by nine mph cost drivers six cents per occurrence.

Other subjects in the study were given GPS monitoring, with no penalty and no financial reward. The end result, to no one’s surprise, was this: the group that got paid was the most diligent about obeying the speed limit, and one driver even admitted it was like a game to see how much of the promised $25 he could keep.

"We found that the incentive system was incredibly effective in getting drivers to reduce their speeding," says Ian Reagan, a traffic safety researcher at NHTSA. "Egregious speed limit violations were almost eliminated — that's driving nine or more [miles per hour] over the speed limit."

Don’t expect to see sweeping changes in traffic laws (or insurance company policies) just yet, as this particular study involved just 50 participants, a sample size almost too small to be relevant. Besides, the loss of revenue generated from ticketing would have a negative impact on police departments everywhere, making change further unlikely.

[MTI]

NYC is about the last place that "shame" would be considered a deterent . . .

Does the name Buttafuoco mean anything to yaz . . . no disrespect . . . badaboom badabing

[spdrun]

Originally Posted by MTI

NYC is about the last place that "shame" would be considered a deterent . . .

NYC is a very varied place -- think of it as a hundred small towns.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by spdrun

NYC is a very varied place -- think of it as a hundred small towns.

Absolutely, in some neighborhoods the urine isn't as aromatic . . .

[spdrun]

Originally Posted by MTI

Absolutely, in some neighborhoods the urine isn't as aromatic . . .

Whatever. Oh, and Buttafuoco was from Long Island, not NYC.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by spdrun

Whatever. Oh, and Buttafuoco was from Long Island, not NYC.

You're right, Nassau County. Of course there's nobody even remotely like that in the five boroughs.

[MTI]

Oh noes, never said that, if you read above, you're the one debating whether shame would be a deterrent in your fair city. As for this area code, it's already been proven that shame isn't a deterrent . . . just look at our elected officials, our laws . . . not to mention that Redflex Systems is in our backyard . . . and even our local goverment killed the speedcams on the highways.

[Botnst]

My question, having ONE TIME driven in NYC, is how in the heck can you speed in that burg? I had a bought time getting out of 2nd gear in my Datsun 710.