Nature or nurture?

Larry Brinkin, San Francisco gay rights icon, arrested on child porn charges: police - NY Daily News

No idea. Are you asking if being a pedophile is genetic or are you asking is being gay is genetic or are you asking if both are genetic or are you asking if one cause the other and if so which cause which?

Are you trying to link being gay with being a pedophile? Can we substitute the Pope and get the same answer?

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I guess if we're Christian about it, predestined from all eternity.

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Cool story bro. Do you have a point?

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Are you implying that that homosexual and pedophilic sexual impulses are not equally valid manifestations of human sexuality?

Gay men and their advocates claim the desire to engage in homosexual anal sex and oral sex are the result of impulses which are inherent and immutable, how is a gay man who claims the desire to engage in homosexual anal sex and oral sex with an infant are the result of impulses which are inherent and immutable, any less valid?

Or for that matter, any man whose inherent and immutable impulses manifest as a desire to engage in sexual contact with any animal, is less vaild how?

Because we know that the "Born this way!" human right argument is that the inherent and immutable homosexual impulse is in no way any less valid than the inherent and immutable heterosexual impulse to fufill the human species' biological imperative to produce progenial recombinant mutations, right?

That's is the basis for the demand for unequivical equality of every human right, correct? Homosexuals and their advocates decry any real or imagined inequality based on inherent and immutable impulse as a violation of their human rights.

With regard to the original question, was Brinkin born a homosexual pedophile with an inherent and immutable impulse to rape male infants?

Based on numerous past arguments I'll assume that homosexuals and their advocates will argue that the racist aspect of Brinkin's impulse is the result of nurturing, because if racism is the result of nature it would be an inherent and immutable impulses that people can't choose because they are "Born this way!", right?

PS any evidence the Pope raped any male babies of African descent or has any interest in the same? In the absence of any looks like nothing more than anti-religious bigotry on your part?

Because adults are capable of giving legal consent and minors are not.

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Unfortunately the question posed is not about behavior but about the inherent and immutable inclination, you do understand that, right?

I do not care if a behavior is genetic or not. I think what is being argued is whether or not the behavior violates a persons rights. If no rights are violated then have at it. If a behavior violates another rights then you better find a.way.to control it or society will. Whether a behavior is genetic or not is irrelevant.

I find it obscene to try and link homosexuality with pedophiles or beastiality just because the they may be genetic.

There is no basis in law to violate someone's personal rights based on thru genetic make up of another.

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Normal heterosexual men and women who are incarcerated may turn to each other for that which is deprived as a characteristic of incarceration. This includes sexual gratification and tenderness.

Also, men and women may change their sexual preference as they get older or as a consequence of moving into a different social circle.

In both cases the facts seem to indicate that sexual preference has a strong environmental component.

Have you any proof that sexual preference is "inherent and immutable"?

I can offer some personal observation: I know several men and women in my age group who believe they have always been homosexual. I also know a bunch of men and women who believe they have always been heterosexual. And I know a smaller number who shift back and forth.

I think the expression of sexual preference is far more complex than science or society can explain at this time.

Boy, if you're not headed for the chit list on this forum! BTDT! You are much more articulate than myself, but I am quite sure that you will be bombarded with the same visceral reaction as I experienced.

Hang tough!

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I suppose he has a point there. There's a huge body of evidence already concerning straight pedophiles. I bet if you used that as a control group you could come up with some interesting crossover characteristics.

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Yes, that's why I think it is probably better to concede the Christian point that our impulses are pre-determined and not base our social policy on the assumption that they aren't. The relevant question in regards to adult homosexual relationships and adult/child sexual relationships is not whether the impulses that lead to them are innate or not but whether the good that comes from the relationships outweigh the bad.

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Heterosexuality, homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality etc. are all nothing more than data points within the spectrum of human sexual inclination none any better or any worse than any other the other, the only criteria is whether or not there exists a societial consensus is that by some subjective metric there is an imbalance between percieved "good" and "bad" impact?

Yes, the issue is 'good' and 'bad' as determined by human beings. What else could moral judgments possibly be determined by? I don't think 'good' or 'bad' are perceived. They are judgments a person makes, related to perception but not perceived.
You're stirring the pot with a complete red herring. Many forms of sociopathy and psychopathy seem to be rooted in different brain structures, yet this provides no reason for thinking that allowing sociopaths to engage in violent behavior is a social good. Bone up on your Catholic moral theology.

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