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Dubyagee 07-04-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2967381)
We have had this discussion before.

Liberals are charitable when using other peoples' money. They will tax you, and give that money away in a heartbeat.
Liberals are misers when spending their own money. Their charitable giving is low. When they hire work to be done at their homes, do you think they pay union workers, or hire cheap non-union labor?
In fact liberal hypocrisy is of a different nature than conservative hypocrisy. Conservatives are hypocrites when they fail to live up to their professed moral code. Many have failed--Newt, Rush, etc--but they would all admit that their hypocrisy was hurtful to themselves.
Liberal hypocrites, in the other hand, violate the principles they espouse for others to their personal benefit.
Michael Moore while bashing Wall Street was invested there.
Noam Chomsky while bashing the Pentagon was paid by----the US Pentagon! And while bashing capitalism, invested heavily in stocks and amassed quite a fortune--setting an example for the young students who actually believed what he said, and not what he did.
Other examples abound, but the fundamental difference between Liberal and Conservative hypocrites is that the liberals want to impose rules and laws on the rest of society and then live above those rules. They want you to be sacrificial while they live the rich and famous lifestyle.

Truth. :)

Brian Carlton 07-04-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2967381)
When they hire work to be done at their homes, do you think they pay union workers, or hire cheap non-union labor?

Of course you remember the ultra right wing nut job named Boneheaddoctor?

This hypocrite hired a pair of Mexican workers and paid them a low amount of money to do some work on his house.

Of course, he's also not too brilliant because he let this information slip on the forum.

When we finished with him, there was nothing but a castrated shell.

I'm absolutely sure we would find the same hypocrisy if we did some investigation of you.

Dubyagee 07-04-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2967565)
Of course you remember the ultra right wing nut job named Boneheaddoctor?

This hypocrite hired a pair of Mexican workers and paid them a low amount of money to do some work on his house.

Of course, he's also not too brilliant because he let this information slip on the forum.

When we finished with him, there was nothing but a castrated shell.

I'm absolutely sure we would find the same hypocrisy if we did some investigation of you.


Reduced to threats now..

Some of the soft spined members on here would be standing on their chairs screaming for a moderator.

Brian Carlton 07-04-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee (Post 2967570)
Reduced to threats now..

Some of the soft spined members on here would be standing on their chairs screaming for a moderator.

That's because they cannot handle the truth. Apparently, neither can you.

Dubyagee 07-04-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2967572)
That's because they cannot handle the truth. Apparently, neither can you.


This statement speaks volumes. Apparently you do not read your own sig quotes.

Its the internet not the mafia, Capone.

Brian Carlton 07-04-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee (Post 2967581)
This statement speaks volumes. Apparently you do not read your own sig quotes.

Its the internet not the mafia, Capone.


This statement speaks nothing.

My sig quote is written specially for you.

t walgamuth 07-04-2012 04:22 PM

The question is not whether Mitt is good at making money. The question is whether he as president would do anything that would benefit ordinary working people like us.

For me the answer is clear. He would not.....on purpose.;)

kerry 07-04-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by David Wilson (Post 2967274)
I read this article. My math says 3.1 million. But, what's 500,000 here or there. The point is, yeah it's not 4 million, but it's out of Obama's, Biden's, and my level of giving to others. What does that say about someone?

Surely nothing bad can be said about someone's charitable giving of this level.

Yeah, you're right, it's 3.1 million according to the article. Nobody said that charitable giving was bad. What I said was that whoever copied and pasted the original piece should have done some fact checking.

David Wilson 07-04-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2967592)
Yeah, you're right, it's 3.1 million according to the article. Nobody said that charitable giving was bad. What I said was that whoever copied and pasted the original piece should have done some fact checking.

Silly. That would preclude the posting of most of the material on OD.
Have some fun and don't take things so seriously. LOL!

Jorn 07-04-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by David Wilson (Post 2967615)
Silly. That would preclude the posting of most of the material on OD.
Have some fun and don't take things so seriously. LOL!

Don't take things seriously around this place, you must be new here. :P

MS Fowler 07-04-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2967587)
The question is not whether Mitt is good at making money. The question is whether he as president would do anything that would benefit ordinary working people like us.

For me the answer is clear. He would not.....on purpose.;)

And you think the continuing the current administration will benefit you?

Killer 07-04-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2967592)
Yeah, you're right, it's 3.1 million according to the article. Nobody said that charitable giving was bad. What I said was that whoever copied and pasted the original piece should have done some fact checking.


No, it is a false that Romney gave only 3.1 million!

The basis of that falsehood has been exposed in my post #43. It is the result of a poster relying upon his inaccurate and incomplete understanding of the incomplete reporting of his preferred biased source.

The original statement of the OP was:

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Originally Posted by David Wilson (Post 2966853)
And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income.... Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

Kerry's statement falsely claimed that Romney only gave 2.6 million and further implied that fact checking hadn't been done or was lacking by someone, based on his calculations and the source he provided.

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2967248)

The basis of that falsehood has been exposed in my post #43. It is the result of a poster relying upon his incomplete understanding of the incomplete reporting of his preferred biased source.

Mitt Romney claimed charitable donations of $4,020,572 on his 2011 Federal Income tax return! There is no evidence to suggest that the IRS or any body else has raised any question regarding the truthfullness of Romney's claim made and signed under the pains and penalties of purjury.

The original source material is Romney's 2011 Federal Income tax filing here:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/a0/fa0cb20e-46af-11e1-afa8-0019bb2963f4/4f1ee8cea0b96.pdf.pdf&chrome=true

The OP's original information regarding Romney's 2011 charitable contribution was absolutely accurate and any accusation that is was anything other than absolutely accurate is completely unsupported and false, and derived at based on faulty reasoning and biased, obfuscative, and incomplete reporting!

$4,020,572 is precisely "over 4 million"!

When the fact is the truth, fact checking can only confirm the truth!

Killer 07-04-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2967592)
Yeah, you're right, it's 3.1 million according to the article. Nobody said that charitable giving was bad. What I said was that whoever copied and pasted the original piece should have done some fact checking.

When a fact is true fact checking can only confirm the truth!

The OP copied and pasted a 100% true and accurate fact regarding Romney's 2011 charitable donations that any competent fact checker could have and would have easily have verified as "100% true and accurate", if they ever had any intention of doing so in the first place!

If someone with an intent at fact disputing and under the guise of fact checking employed faulty reasoning and biased information they could very well arrive at some other conclusion which is not true.

Pooka 07-04-2012 07:14 PM

Two facts that might bear on this missive....

The first is that every Latter Day Saint Stake is run by a Bishop and all of them are unpaid. The rank of Bishop is something that all Mormon men strive for and work towards and once you are there it cannot be taken away but by the LDS system its' self. I think it is nice that Romney attained Bishop status, but he was not responsible for other churches, or Stakes, like an Bishop in another denomination would be. He would have been responsible for the Stake he went to.

On getting into Harvard.... I knew a guy in the early 90's who applied to Harvard. He grew up in China where his Parents were Missionaries and spoke not only the main language there but, since his Parents moved around a lot, several dialects. He was also President of his High School Class and had a number of academic awards.

His cost for school was going to be paid for by money his Parents had saved for years and years just for his education. When he found he was accepted he was shocked to find he was also awarded a 100% full ride. He had inquired into if any financial help were possible but he was never expecting this.

It turns out that a Professor there needed an assistant for a China language project he was working on and he needed someone who spoke perfect Chinese, who could also read it, and who spoke perfect English. So he was in the right place at the right time.

So it can take place, and it probably does more than anyone would realize.

This guy's story has nothing to do with Obama's except that maybe Obama was in the right place at the right time as well.

Jorn 07-04-2012 10:18 PM

What I never knew about Mitt, is that he's the guy that wants to make America more like...America.


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