Now that we've had our fill of chicken in one way or another, thought this might make for an interesting change of discussion -

We were wrong on peak oil. There's enough to fry us all | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

Interesting is that he notes that there are 20 formations like the Bakken field inside the U.S. - which the Bakken alone is estimated to hold as much as Saudi Arabia - and that the U.S. is poised to once again become a major oil-producing state.

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He is wrong about being wrong, too.

Of course we will have ups and downs but this is a finite planet of finite resources.

Dates may vary but it's inevitable.

This.

It doesn't matter how much we have the EPA will attempt to stop any new drilling.

Don't forget we got the Dept of Energy to make it as painless as possible - LOL. What a joke.

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"There is enough oil in the ground to deep-fry the lot of us, and no obvious means to prevail upon governments and industry to leave it in the ground. Twenty years of efforts to prevent climate breakdown through moral persuasion have failed, with the collapse of the multilateral process at Rio de Janeiro last month. The world's most powerful nation is again becoming an oil state, and if the political transformation of its northern neighbour is anything to go by, the results will not be pretty."

Here's to hoping the scientists are wrong about global warming too.

How's summer going in the midwest?

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The greatest proof of government waste. One office was designed to wean us off of foreign oil, the other is designed to keep us on it. Both funded with taxpayer money...and do nothing but get in the way of each other.

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Yeah, where would we be without the DOE? Probably at $1.25 per gallon gasoline.

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The only open question WRT Peak Oil is when. Here is a lecture, it is one hour. It may be worth the hour even if you are familiar with the subject, if only to help you explain it to others.

Dr Albert Bartlett: Arithmetic, Population and Energy - YouTube
Note: The Earth is finite, there can be no discussion about that, and population growth is exponential.

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And without the war dept, we'd pay the same price everyone else pays. That's right, military spending subsidizes your gas/diesel prices.

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Where do the resources go?

Entropy.

As they should. Their job is to PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. The more oil comes out, the more carbon goes into the air. Time to regulate it as a pollutant and end the oil economy entirely.

Yup from a low to a higher state of.

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I don't know what the DOE does, but it is inaccurate to say that the DOE and the EPA "do nothing." Our air and water are cleaner now than they were when the EPA was established, despite drastic increases in the consumption of resources. The EPA has a lot to do with those improvements.

You need a methane burp from deep in the ocean to get you to your senses.