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Old 08-10-2012, 10:22 AM
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Plane Crash Cockpit Video

A portion of this video was on the news. For the pilots out there, this includes the TELLING part of the video:

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The plane was CLEARLY overloaded and would NOT climb. Any pilot knows that in this situation, they should abort the take off. It should have been aborted in about the first ten or fifteen seconds. This guy elected not to abort.

At the end it shows him with a bloody nose and cut up all over. It probably was not from the crash, but was the results of his passengers beating the chit out of him like he deserved.

I'm glad everyone is okay.

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Old 08-10-2012, 10:38 AM
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My impression also. One heckuva T/O roll if you ask me. Took forever to get any altitude.
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Some real poor decision making right there.

Wonder if they originally took off from a lower elevation and did not consider the decreased air density at that strip?

Should have aborted take-off and shed whatever weight they could and then waited for the temperature to drop as well.
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bad pilot....
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Weight and balance calculations a bit off?
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Weight and balance calculations a bit off?

No, it didn't seem like it. in fact, given that it was a four place plane with four aboard, unless the front seat occupants were giants and the back seat occupants were infants, it's almost impossible that it would be heavy forward. It was simply a combination of overloading and High DA. Being nose heavy would indeed aggravate the situation, but it seems that it was clearly overloaded.

I fly a small plane at max gross quite alot and even on a hot day, it goes straight up compared to the one in the video.
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flaps probably weren't even down...
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:22 PM
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My impression also. One heckuva T/O roll if you ask me. Took forever to get any altitude.
Yes that takeoff run was a dead giveaway about what was likely to happen next (Was he trying to burn off fuel to lighten the load or something?)

Here is a great pilot landing after an engine failure.

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It's hard to know what he was dealing with, but for me roads are last choice. Power lines, traffic, obstacles you can't see from the air....

If I were them flying something with a Rotax, I would have been no where near a town of any description. If it was small enough to fly with a Rotax, it should be able to land short enough to put it down somewhere besides a road.

All this said, I don't really like second guessing someones decision when they are in such a situation. They obviously walked away, so that makes it a good landing. Apparantly the plane was still airworthy, well after a fresh Rotax maybe, so that makes it a great landing.
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Two buddies I worked with were being air taxied to a field to fix a small plane. They threw their tool boxes in the rear and hopped in. The plane took off and the pilot wasn't getting any altitude with trees ahead, but realized what the problem was and told the one guy to get those tool boxes moved fwd ASAP. They got them fwd and everything was cool. Close one though.
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Two buddies I worked with were being air taxied to a field to fix a small plane. They threw their tool boxes in the rear and hopped in. The plane took off and the pilot wasn't getting any altitude with trees ahead, but realized what the problem was and told the one guy to get those tool boxes moved fwd ASAP. They got them fwd and everything was cool. Close one though.

Your buddies were lucky and their pilot violated the law. He is supposed to calculate weight & balance before every flight.

Tail heavy is more dangerous than nose heavy in most situations. If it ever goes down tail first, there is no hope. They were lucky that they could correct the situation in flight.

MANY years ago, there was a plane crash with a basketball team on board. I don't remember all the details, but in flight the pilot screamed for them to all move forward. It wasn't enough and it somehow ended up in an accident report.

Before the internet I used to subscribe to publications that provided educational accident reports. Reading accident reports is VERY educational for a pilot. Now I can simply read the reports on line.
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No, it didn't seem like it... It was simply a combination of overloading and High DA. ...it seems that it was clearly overloaded.
Well, I thought that was covered by the Weight portion of Weight and Balance calc's...
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Well, I thought that was covered by the Weight portion of Weight and Balance calc's...

You bring up a good point. What popped in my head was balance. Given what he was flying, it is POSSIBLE that he was at or near max gross, but the 6500 feet in altitude, possible humidity and probably high temperature could have made an impossible to overcome density altitude.

If he was dealing with a tired, stock engine to aggravate the situation it might have accounted for it.

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