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What a doofus.


Love this comment, "Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers!"

They should start with the U.S. military.

There is SO much of it in there untouched. President Obama would like to whittle away at least some of it, but the right wing (so-called) "Conservative" Republicans won't even admit it exists. Much less do anything at all about it.

The defense program is the conservative entitlement program.

I agree the military and all of the government entities are mismanaged. A lot of funds could be trimmed. Theft is on the left, right and center.

I know a guy who is a 100% disabled Vet. He has read through the entire Republican Budget plan that Ryan came up with and Republicans voted to accept and then had to go back and read the entire 100 pages again.

Nowhere in it did he find the word 'Veterans'.

A few weeks ago I was looking at some awards he had received and one of them was 'signed' by President Obama. I thought that was interesting, that the award was of that level, and he dismissed it with, "He's not my President."

So, after telling him he was an idiot, asked him to show me how great he would be treated under the Republicans. And he set out to do just that.

He is now a firm 'Independent' since he sees that the Republicans would put through a budget that would chop him out totally.

Yup, the more one knows about the Romney/Ryan ticket, the more one starts to wonder 'what was I thinking'?

You posted a postulation about the relative value of the political careers of Obama and Ryan, I pointed out that there is vast differences between those two careers. I suppose that probably isn't the reality you'd of preferred to hear about, but that is why I posted what I did.

Keep the center out of it.

I quoted cmbdiesel's comparative postulation about the national level political careers of Obama and Ryan did that escape your powers of observation? I offered an alternative perspective of those two men's careers noting a significant difference based on fact. Your claim that my post made some qualitative value assessment regarding business experience is without factual basis, I made no reference to it whatsoever.

That you "do not see that argument holding a lot of water" probably won't be surprising to most people in that it was an argument you only imagine having been made, in reality it never was!

My position on your posted postulation is a pair of politicians.

What ever floats your boat.

Too bad a 100% disabled veteran didn't associate with people who are intelligent and truthful, and actually capable of thinking, it's a real shame.

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf

The 100 page document is the House Budget Committee - Fiscal Year 2013 Budget Resolution titled the The Path to Prosperity:A Blueprint for American Renewal. It is not the "budget" which consists of many many hundreds of pages of specific appropriations, but a position paper describing the broader Republican budget positions and contrasting those with the Administration’s broader budget positions. Nor is it a plan that will mention every single aspect of budget prioritization in detail. But that might not be understandable to some people.

It is indisputable fact that as part of the overall actual budget passed by the Republicans in the US House of Representatives it has included the specific appropriations for the Department of Veterans Affairs in H.R. 5854

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - H.R.5854 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

"Fiscal Year 2013 Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations
On May 31, 2012, the House passed H.R.5854, the Military Construction and Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2013, by a vote of 407-12. I voted in favor of this bill. H.R. 5854 authorizes $71.7 billion in non-emergency, discretionary budget authority for Military Construction and Veterans Affairs in FY 2013, which includes $60.7 billion in discretionary funding for Veterans Affairs – $2.3 billion above last year’s levels. The bill also authorizes $54.5 billion in advance FY 2014 appropriations for the Veterans Health Administration for medical services, medical support, and medical facilities. The funding levels fulfill a Congressional commitment to remaining a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars in a time of historically high deficits, without compromising the services provided to our veterans. H.R. 5854 is currently awaiting action in the Senate."

A person of character and conscience might now be compelled to re-engage with that very same 100% disabled vet who has been so brutally mis-informed and retract the "idiot" label he never merited or deserved, particularly when that label was applied by someone who never served in the armed forces.

The "center" is the worst offender. Complacent little group.

Most of the worst leaders in the world claimed to be centered.

I was happy to pass this on him. He started reading the budget you recommended and he is now even more convinced the Republicans have totally lost it.

You might recall that he was the one that bought this up and decided to prove to me that the Republican budget was full of great stuff for Vets. When he read what was touted as the be all and end all of budgets and found nothing in there for Vets he was rather upset.

I will point out your posting to him.

But as far as my calling him an idiot... Yup, anyone who just dismisses the President is not fully engaged in the process. After reading the Republican document that they claim is going to save America he has decided to put down the Conservative bong and take a look at both sides of the situation. Even he now admits there is more to this than just watching Fox News.

I understand the aversion Conservatives have for going outside of their comfort zone; it makes them start to think for themselves and this is always a shock to a lot of them. But now that this guy is paying attention to both sides of a story he is full of questions.

By the way..... Unless you have been helping a Disabled Vet recently then you really don't know what you are talking about when you discuss their problems.

Uh, to understand H.R. 5854 you would need to read it. It quickly becomes apparent that it was written by someone who could care less about the Military and the US Budget.

But it sure sounds good in the Press Releases.

The first thing that jumps out at you is that for all the big numbers it has it also says that the funds will not be available unless they can be cut from another program.

So what we really have here is a Bill not to improve the Military but to destroy other programs.

Yup. You can tell this was written by a Republican.

You know, a person of character and..... Oh, forget it.

How can anyone recall details that you never included in your fable? And how can anyone recall the same recollection you now claim to recall, when the details of your fable contradict the recollection you expect of others now?

Now in Pooka Fable 2.0 you claim!

QUOTE=Pooka;2995576]You might recall that he was the one that bought this up and decided to prove to me that the Republican budget was full of great stuff for Vets.[/QUOTE]

But in your Pooka Fable 1.0 you claimed!

So which is it? Did you "ask him to show me" original version or was it "he was the one that brought this up" new and improved version ?

You know what they say about people who tell the truth never having to worry about remembering what they've said in the past? No, you probably don't.

And, by the way..... unless you've shared a fighting hole with the caliber of men who end up as disabled veterans and for the past 33+ years since receiving my very own DD-214 and Honorable Discharge and have always worked with and for disabled veterans who served as far back as WWI, trotting out such sanctimonious BS as that, is very very cheap talk, particularly coming from someone who never answered his country's call to serve in harms way.