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Old 09-05-2012, 12:43 PM
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Have you guys seen this? Richest lady in the world..

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Might seem arrogant. But it's basic economics that minimum wages only prevent entry to the marketplace. It won't work out too well with a managed economy, though. Prices will never drop, nor will inflation. However I suppose anyone willing to work should be able to, even if it's for less than the minimum wage.
That said, I don't like this woman. She seems to be going out of her way to be a comical stereotype, and cause a controversy. And she's fat.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:55 PM
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That said, I don't like this woman. She seems to be going out of her way to be a comical stereotype, and cause a controversy. And she's fat.
I gather her rise to fortune game came from inheritance and not actually working. I don't think anyone is going to take her seriously saying that we should look towards third world countries for guidance on compensation.

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To a degree, that comment was taken out of context. She wasn't saying that miners should get two dollars a day, but praising the work ethic of those that do. Considering they're being held in squalor by competing dictators, it's hardly the case. Not to mention 2 completely different economics structures and an infinite amount of variables. But that's what I'm talking about. She has to be doing this on purpose.

Australia mining laws, to my understanding, monopolize the labor in that only Australians can work in them, or at least must get hired before foreigners can. So, naturally, they can demand an artificially high wage. There's certainly a case to be made they might be milking the situation, and I don't know what their union situation is.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:08 PM
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To a degree, that comment was taken out of context. She wasn't saying that miners should get two dollars a day, but praising the work ethic of those that do. Considering they're being held in squalor by competing dictators, it's hardly the case. Not to mention 2 completely different economics structures and an infinite amount of variables. But that's what I'm talking about. She has to be doing this on purpose.

Australia mining laws, to my understanding, monopolize the labor in that only Australians can work in them, or at least must get hired before foreigners can. So, naturally, they can demand an artificially high wage. There's certainly a case to be made they might be milking the situation, and I don't know what their union situation is.
Not to mention the fact that she's fat.
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Not to mention the fact that she's fat.
I'll be honest, I can take her comments easier than I can take looking at her. I've really had it with this obesity crap. She could literally buy a better figure. But with her money, how can you even get that big eating premium food? Or is she eating walmart and denny's? Exclusively. I can understand everyone has a different shape, size, but she missed that boat, ate it, then went back for seconds. The wrist fat bleeds over onto her hands.
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People who work for $2 a day do so in economies where that amount can feed you for a day with a bit left over. I don't think she really wants people so desperate for survival that they'll work for tiny wages. Would require greater security to keep the hordes at bay and will not yield a fully prosperous nation.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:50 PM
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People who work for $2 a day do so in economies where that amount can feed you for a day with a bit left over. I don't think she really wants people so desperate for survival that they'll work for tiny wages. Would require greater security to keep the hordes at bay and will not yield a fully prosperous nation.
I think she does want that. More money in her pockets...or stomach perhaps.
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:38 PM
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Might seem arrogant. But it's basic economics that there is a minimum amount of money needed for a person to survive. Individuals who make less than that threshold have to make up the income difference with some other means. Additional jobs, welfare, charities, relatives, theft, other criminal activity, etc. If a job can't support a minimum level of subsistence, then it isn't worth doing. Minimum wage is so low right now that anyone who makes minimum remains a drain on the local economy. Businesses that pay such low wages, likewise are a drain on local economies, and receiving subsidy from their communities.
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Suddenly the phrase "One sided fight" comes to mind....
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Suddenly the phrase "One sided fight" comes to mind....
Must be a quiet day in politics on your side of the pond.

Gina inherited her fathers wealth. Her father was self made. She is never far from controversy. While she is called a mining magnate, she has never owned/operated a mine. Her father discovered the iron ore that now powers Australia's economy. Gina & her kids spend much of their time fighting over the royalties. She is presently developing a mining operation.

The other one is nothing but a red headed clown. We will be rid of her later next year.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:05 PM
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Might seem arrogant. But it's basic economics that there is a minimum amount of money needed for a person to survive. Individuals who make less than that threshold have to make up the income difference with some other means. Additional jobs, welfare, charities, relatives, theft, other criminal activity, etc. If a job can't support a minimum level of subsistence, then it isn't worth doing. Minimum wage is so low right now that anyone who makes minimum remains a drain on the local economy. Businesses that pay such low wages, likewise are a drain on local economies, and receiving subsidy from their communities.
Would you rather have 5.00 an hour, or no job at all? Because that's how it works.

Edit: Actually, you just basically spouted basic communism nonsense. It's been refuted.

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On second thought, that's just a big ole' strawman argument anyway. You aren't supposed to sustain yourself on a minimum wage job. It's as I indicated an ENTRY to work. Still in high school, no skills, straight to supporting yourself totally independently...? Yeah, that's it. With one job, too! Nobody should have to work hard.

Minimum wage doesn't affect people with experience. It just restricts people from gaining any. Which is irrelevant, because nobody would involuntarily enter an agreement to work for less than they thought it was worth. Or they wouldn't do it. Subjective value.
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Communism? Hardly, but I know there are some who have to label any argument they dislike as communism, socialism, or some other kind of -ism. Maybe you're one of them. I don't care if you like my argument or not, it's true. It'll be even worse considering the pressure added by widespread unemployment. I'd be interested to read whatever you claim refutes it though.
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Communism? Hardly, but I know there are some who have to label any argument they dislike as communism, socialism, or some other kind of -ism. Maybe you're one of them. I don't care if you like my argument or not, it's true. It'll be even worse considering the pressure added by widespread unemployment. I'd be interested to read whatever you claim refutes it though.
Well, I call a spade a spade. Sue me. If you were really interested in any counter argument you would have found them. They aren't cryptic, disguised or secret and are actually becoming much easier to find of late with all the attention gathered by Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and others. I mean, I just refuted it? It's not up to you to determine for other people whatever wage they deem "worth it" except for if it's below some arbitrary number which hasn't even kept up with inflation(caused by the same entities responsible for minimum wage laws to begin with) it becomes a crime. I mean, do you even know anyone on minimum wage? I have never had a job that paid that. Close, once.

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