Why is this good for nothing POS not dead yet? Ft Hood shooter Hasen.
 

They're still whining about his beard for a murder who killed soldiers in 2009.
They're still refering to him as "Major"

This is the kind of news that makes my blood boil. He killed the soldiers in cold blood. He confessed to it. He showed warning signs of being a Islamic radical.

Judge rules Fort Hood shooting suspect must be 'forcibly shaved' - U.S. News

Shave his face, by ripping it apart from his skull.

~Nate

I couldn't agree more. If I had refused to shave while I was in the Army, they would have probably thrown me in Leavenworth for awhile before my dishonorable discharge. This low life is LITERALLY getting away with murder.

Not the same Army that I was in, that's for sure.

When was the trial?

I have noticed that between all the repremands and other court proccedures like a background review to help determine sentancing. A lot of people are making a substantial buck from the system.

This of course from all the inherant delays with their costs. Almost looks like a make work money project from my perspective..I counted twenty five people in the courtroom getting financial compensation the last time I took someone in to face a judge.

Umm, the Bill of Rights (5th?), if I had to guess.

I know you're old, but you don't pre-date the Bill of Rights (1789).

We need one of those.
 

During the French revolution, (I think around 1789 or thereabouts) the Guillotine was referred to as "the national razor that shaves close":D

They should let relatives of the vic's hold him down. And hold a lottery to determine which one of them could be the barber.

Then they should rinse and repeat every 3 days, or as needed.

Take away his toilet paper and replace it with a Koran; from which HE could tear off pages to use as butt paper;

Put big pictures of ALL the vic's on the walls and ceiling of his cell, and mounted behind impenetrable plexiglass so he would be reminded of what he did for the rest of his life.

Couldn't agree more Nate.

Obama issues a successful KOS order for Anwar al Awlaki...
Al-QAEDA DEATH: Barack Obama welcomes Anwar al-Awlaki killing - YouTube
Breaking News Anwar AL- Awlaki Dead - YouTube
......and this POS Hasan still gets 3 a day. :rolleyes:
Maybe the prez should issue a KOS order for this guy too? How bout it?

Did he murder those pipples or was that a fig newton of my imaginarium?

He was a VICTIM of society!

I blame society.

Society made him what he was.

A courts martial will decide that, not you, me or the other folks on the forum. Don't like it? Find another country that suits your need for blood lust, revenge killings or lynchings. Last I heard, there's no shortage of those places.

Wait ... is there any question about his guilt? I'd like to know what that would be.

Lynching isn't necessarily unjust, but it can be. Just as a formal trial can be legal but unjust.

Lynching is a casually arranged public trail by a jury of peers. And speedy, too.

Due process must protect people from kangaroo court type situations is a given. No argument there.On the otherhand due process in cases where it is absolutly easily established that the guilt is real seems to be stretched out more timewise and money wise than should be required.

Or it seriousy seems to me with this one going on for three to four years. He had to know the potential penalty for what he did as he was a well educated fanatic apparently.

If insane that would have been established in mere months. In a way you have to be an unbalanced person in my opinion to get yourself into a situation like he did. Since this is an army case the fees and costs involved for the legal work may be less than normal.

For example if I decide to shoot and kill a lot of people. If there are a lot of witnesses and it is absolutly certain that I was the offender. Should hundreds of thousands of dollars be earnt by the legal and justice proffession over many years to deal with it? One has to ask whose interests are being served there. I assume that all too much of the costs fall back onto the general taxpayer.

I have nothing against the legal proffession at the same time. They are just doing what too much of what society in reality already does.

Last week I was in my dentists chair for example. A quick calculation is that the provincial recomended fee schedule. A guideline of what dentists should charge locally. Amounted to somewhere between four to five hundred dollars or a little more per hour for the type of work he did on me.

Since the fee schedule is primarily engineered by dentists of course it is written in ways that can benift them as it did in my case. The work went smooth and quick but the fee schedule in my case was based on potential difficulies with no adjustments for the lack of them it seems.

Yes I am well aware of the costs of overhead for business as well. My issue is that the tendency to have rates applied that go beyond reason is becoming ever more common.

I have no issue with the other guy making a decent buck either. Yet in my mind going beyond reason in my opinion does concern me. It can eventually kill a system. Fortunatly I can absorb this type of billing. I am all too concious of the fact that many in society cannot.

One cannot present recognized legal defenses without the structure of a trial, particularly where there are rulings on evidence, admissibility of statements, the right to confront witnesses. Would you disagree with that?

Its only been 3 years, typical prisoners waiting for execution spend something like 10-12 years on death row as an average.

Part of that is the whole process of appeals ect and so on, and by the time someone is executed, they have had multiple opportunities and ample time to appeal the process. Personally, im in favor of this approach, as it allows time to make absolutely sure someone is guilty of a crime before the state can execute him.

Of course Major Hasan is under military control being a serving officer at the time of his crime, so it will be interesting to see what he can do, and of course, under military law, he must be clean shaven, so if he won't do it, it will be done for him.

Don't worry, he'll be punished for his crimes after due process is followed, no question of his guilt. However, I don't think we should be jumping all over ourselves to torture and whatnot. That makes us no better than the hate mongering terrorists in the first place, we are above that kind of crap.

The stability of our system comes from adherence to due process of law. He will be put to death eventually, after the process comes to its full completion of military requirements. Let him stew with the hangman just outside the door, I have no problem with that.

Yes I disagree in the sense that 'legal' is a social construct and under different circumstances one might have a different legal system. Each would be legal. Hell, the Inquisition was legal as were the soviet political capital murder trials.

Nevertheless, I prefer our own system, given the various alternatives.

But none of that is the question I asked.

Is Major Hassan the man who killed and wounded all of those people?

I would also ask if there is doubt why he did it, given his own statements?

Yeah, there are forms to be followed and rituals to be performed. I get that. It is even probably that justice will be served. But not certain. One thing you can say about a lynching, it's certain. Just or not.

And of course you will hold the same position once, and if, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales is brought to trial.

What in "civilization" is not a "social construct" as you say? So, your criticism of legal is that it incorporates civilization and societal norms? I'm not sure I understand your criticism.

Again, not sure what you're getting at. As to your first question, I did answer that the answer that counts will be made at the courts martial, every other answer is kibbitzing. Same applies to his statements, other than there is less doubt if the statements are admissible.

Hard to keep political interests out of these events as well. I also at the same time agree with much of your post. Stability of an overall system is what is threatened currently.

This runaway costs on far too many fronts is an issue for me. How many millions of dollars could have been spent more productivily if he had just turned his gun on himself at the time as well?

If it were just the legal and justice systems excessive costs it would not be that serious. I unfortunatly see too much money spent where much less would accomplish a simular outcome. Health services and the pharmacitical industry being a prime serious example.

If a country cannot do things within it's sensible financial means does result in all kinds of serious social issues and reprecussions eventually. The primary one being a removal of the perception of an individuals sense of security and stability in my opinion. This further heats up so called class warfare as well.

Fewer and fewer people can afford what is needed eventually. The so called level playing field becomes even further tilted. Ballance has to become an serious objective politically. Hopefully sooner than later. Or what we have known is over.

The alternatives otherwise are really too serious to contemplate over the medium to long term picture. One is socialisim in north america as the course of getting there is well underway already. We seem unable to learn from history. There has to be common sense applied somehow to many fronts currently as an evolutionary process. Rampant greed on many fronts as is being practiced is certainly no substitute for it.

In this case there is absolutly no doubt in anyones mind that he did shoot and kill others.

I have no problem whatsoever with a trial. Everyone, no matter how scummy, deserves a fair trial.

In this case, however, EVERYONE knows he did it. Even HE knows he did it. What's the hold up? As soon as he was stable enough to sit up in a wheel chair, the trial should have taken place and a good ol' Army firing squad should have long since done its duty.

IMHO, the REASON that this has turned into such a circus stems from what the General eluded to at the Fort Hood Memorial Service. His words were laced and riddled with political correctness.

Political correctness has ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in the Army. The job of the Army is to kill those who have been determined to be the enemy by civilian leadership. It would help if LWNJ's like this Major would kill the enemy instead of his comrades in arms.

Very popular at one time in your "neck" of the woods, or so I'm told.:rolleyes:

You know he's right . . . no record of any verbal or written complaints from the honorees at the necktie parties . . . except when they accidentally survived.

James Cameron Obituary

Mr. Cameron, who kept a piece of the rope that had scarred his neck moments before he was spared, was the only known survivor of a lynching attempt. An astute student of history, he lectured widely and in 1988 founded the Black Holocaust Museum in Milwaukee.

When was the last time the UCMJ system actually put someone to death ? April 13, 1961, so I would not hold my breath. Right now, I hope this POS is lucky #7 on death row and he can join Allah sooner instead of later. I hope I am still alive when they pull the switch. I hope they air his execution on TV and bleed the feed thru Al Jeezra (AJE) and I want someone like Rush --or more inflammatory-- to narrate the event. And, I hope a bunch of my Army buddies excercise their 1st Amendment rights and wipe their azz's with the Koran. Yes, just excercising their rights since that is very important to highlight. That would be a great night of TV ... better than Honey Boo Boo