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HuskyMan 09-25-2012 03:02 PM

Sorry wolves but you are impeding commerce - time for you to go.
 
Gray wolf pack in Washington state will be shot dead after preying on cattle - U.S. News

Air&Road 09-25-2012 03:44 PM


Understandable. Wolves down here are a big problem for the cattlemen. They see 'em, they shoot 'em.

Skippy 09-25-2012 04:38 PM

Sweet. I wonder how long it's going to take before people realize this is one of a number of species whose best conservation status is "extinct in the wild".

elchivito 09-25-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3017659)
Understandable. Wolves down here are a big problem for the cattlemen.

No they're not. Livestock damage by wolves anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. is statistically insignificant.
The biggest causes of predator losses to livestock are coyotes, feral coydogs and feral dogs.
Wolves are scary creatures that inhabit a part of our brain that hasn't changed since we were babies listening to creepy european fairy tales that more often than not featured a big bad wolf. Wolves were summarily wiped out of europe, and when europeans came to this continent they brought their infantile superstitions with them.

I'm all for wolf recovery, but it sounds like that pack's removal won't impact recovery in WA, good.
Those ranchers are welfare grazing on public lands. Their cattle's welfare should be secondary, not a primary concern to the state and it should be their responsibility to protect their herds from predation or be willing to eat the overhead as a cost of doing private business on publicly owned land.

panZZer 09-25-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3017659)
Understandable. Wolves down here are a big problem for the cattlemen. They see 'em, they shoot 'em.

Ridiculous.
last ones within 600 miles of here were all killed in the 1970's

HuskyMan 09-25-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3017709)
Those ranchers are welfare grazing on public lands. Their cattle's welfare should be secondary, not a primary concern to the state and it should be their responsibility to protect their herds from predation or be willing to eat the overhead as a cost of doing private business on publicly owned land.


My thoughts exactly; these ranchers want to live off the FREE government tit. They need to buy their own land, fence it off and provide their own security. But why do that when they can get the government to do it for them for FREE?

Freeloaders.

cmbdiesel 09-25-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3017709)
No they're not. Livestock damage by wolves anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. is statistically insignificant.
The biggest causes of predator losses to livestock are coyotes, feral coydogs and feral dogs.
Wolves are scary creatures that inhabit a part of our brain that hasn't changed since we were babies listening to creepy european fairy tales that more often than not featured a big bad wolf. Wolves were summarily wiped out of europe, and when europeans came to this continent they brought their infantile superstitions with them.

I'm all for wolf recovery, but it sounds like that pack's removal won't impact recovery in WA, good.
Those ranchers are welfare grazing on public lands. Their cattle's welfare should be secondary, not a primary concern to the state and it should be their responsibility to protect their herds from predation or be willing to eat the overhead as a cost of doing private business on publicly owned land.

Precisely. Wolves are not the problem. Irresponsible ranchers are.

cmbdiesel 09-25-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3017659)
Understandable. Wolves down here are a big problem for the cattlemen. They see 'em, they shoot 'em.

Probably a true statement in 1805.

Stoneseller 09-25-2012 07:37 PM

I wish some authority would relocate some to the Washington DC suburbs, specifically in Maryland northwest of the city.
Montgomery & Howard Counties are so drastically overpopulated with deer it's out of control.

engatwork 09-25-2012 07:37 PM

Probably don't have much hunting going on up there to keep em thinned out either.

alamostation 09-25-2012 11:55 PM

I think that wolves should be brought back to their native habitat.

In the early 1600's, what is now Central Park in NYC was habitat for wolves.

Lets bring them back. It may thin the overgrown herd of humans in the area.

alamostation 09-26-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3017709)
No they're not. Livestock damage by wolves anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. is statistically insignificant.
The biggest causes of predator losses to livestock are coyotes, feral coydogs and feral dogs.

If you are a rancher and there is a canine or a bunch of canines after your cattle, do you have time to determine their ancestry before shooting them?

Same thing around here. Feral hogs cause great damage. It is open season on them year around. If Babe gets loose from her pen, does the farmer who's crop she is eating need to check her status before shooting?

Air&Road 09-26-2012 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3017712)
My thoughts exactly; these ranchers want to live off the FREE government tit. They need to buy their own land, fence it off and provide their own security. But why do that when they can get the government to do it for them for FREE?

Freeloaders.

In Texas, that's precisely what we do. The wolves are grazing on OUR cattle, on OUR land. And BELIEVE ME! We DO provide our own security.

elchivito 09-26-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3017952)
In Texas, that's precisely what we do. The wolves are grazing on OUR cattle, on OUR land. And BELIEVE ME! We DO provide our own security.

The tragedy of Lupophobia. There aren't any wolves, Larry.

HuskyMan 09-26-2012 08:38 AM

Two wolves from Washington state gray wolf pack killed for preying on cattle - U.S. News

They got two more; interesting that they shot them from the air using a helicopter.



On another note and a part of the story "they" don't like to talk about.......


Hormones in milk, beef, could put kids at even higher risk « Food Democracy

from the article:

"As for frequency of illegal use of hormones, that’s something no one can know for sure. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the agency responsible for overseeing meat production, does no testing for natural hormones and only sporadic testing for the synthetic hormones. Still, illegal hormones have been found by more rigorous testers, such as the Swiss who, in 1999, detected diethylstilbestrol (DES), the cancer-causing, anti-miscarriage drug, in two shipments of American beef. The FDA banned the use of DES for growth promotion in chicken and lambs in 1959 and in all animal feed in 1979. "

So, question; which is more of a threat, beef pumped full of growth hormones, DES and anti-biotics or wolves? I feel sorry for any wolf who unknowingly eats any beef pumped full of chemicals.


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