I think we all recognize that loyalty is a good thing. However, it can be used by some who are not deserving of it. For instance, many repubs defended RM Nixon in the early days of the Watergate fiasco. It seemed like a political witch hunt that benefited democrats, and they were not slow to take advantage of it. Slowly, repubs began to see the full extent of the cover-up and turned on Nixon, forcing his resignation.

I am not saying that the Benghazi mess has enough substance to do the same thing. Most of the President's defenders ignore anything on Fox news, but now even CNN is beginning to explore and ask questions.

My question is simply this.... Is there a point where you, as a supporter of President Obama would stop defending him? What would it take for you to reach that decision? This is not a question for Larry, or other anti-Obma people on here--they do not defend the President now. I am not trying to start an anto-Obama thread, but to ask under what circumstances you supporters might turn on him. What revelations would there need to be for you to feel that your loyalty was abused?

I admit that it took a while for me to stop defending Nixon. What about you and Obama?

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I'm guessing you're a racist.

That's why you don't like Obama and why you defended Nixon.

It's all coming clear to me now.

Sorry MS, but it ain't gonna happen! About 10 days ago, it was PROVEN, that his ineffectiveness meant nothing to the majority of Americans. If they are willing to overlook it to the level that was proven, no matter what kind of smoking gun is put on display, support for him will not waiver. Love is blind.

That said, no matter what kind of smoking gun might exist, the news media is NOT going to allow it to rise to any level that will threaten their beloved.

I was in college when Watergate occurred and I was pretty much a democrat at the time. The republicans that stood by Tricky Dick were only backed away because of the relatively HONEST news reporting of the time. If the Trickster would have had a media in the bag for him at that time, most of the folks alive today, would have never heard the word "Watergate" unless they happened to have staid at the hotel at one time or another.

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I hope this is a tongue in cheek statement Bot.

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Of course. Obama has done a good job keeping his skirts clean though and it is not likely he will be found to have done anything shadey.

Now his generals are another matter.....apparently.

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MS, I think this is a good example of the responses you will get. Love is blind.

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What I am asking a hypothetical--at least at this point.
Suppose it was discovered that the WH video recorded all meetings, and there was video showing the President saying--"We need to fabricate a cover story to hide my politically-motivated inept bumbling that killed 4 Americans..." Would THAT do it?
I don't expect there is any such tape, not that the President would have uttered those words. I believe any political is way too clever to actually say anything so clearly--that is what they have underlings ( and Veeps) for. But IF that existed would that make you stop defending him?

Would a plan, written on WH stationary and signed by the President to stage an attack prior to the election be sufficient?

Or is there no possible set of circumstances that would force you to feel "used" in your loyalty?

Does liberal/ progressive politics trump all?

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My question is simply this:

Is there a point where you, as a supporter of everything and anybody GOP, would stop defending them? What would it take to reach that decision?

They have a dishonest candidate with no program and no plan and you support them.

They have shown that they will do everything possible to obstruct the operation of the government. Their latest fiasco with the Bengazi embassy tragedy is not going to stop anytime soon, despite nothing to see here.

They refuse to cut spending in any meaningful way, despite claiming to be "conservative".

They have a platform plank that is against all abortions, even though the conservative position would allow a person to choose without interference from the government. This is hypocritical beyond the pale.


So, MS, when will you finally jump ship and kick those DB's to the curb?

What i have for the president is not love, it is respect.

What you have is hate....blind hate.

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Well counselor, since you failed to answer my question, why should I answer yours?

I am much more a doctrinaire conservative than a repub. Having said that, I can forsee no time that I will embrace socialistic apparent solutions. They may work short term--enough for political advantage, but, as Maggie Thatcher said, "sooner or later, you run out of other people's money to spend."

Should I assume from your answer that nothing would ever turn you against the President?

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I've stated here before that I was unhappy with Obama. He gave the obstructionists the farm last term and didn't begin to grow any huevos until lately. That hardly means that I'd turn tail and vote for Romney, OR stay home and not vote.
Republicans showed up to vote for Romney even though they didn't like him. Anybody But Obama was the mantra. For me it was Anybody But The Tea Party, who would have controlled Romney like a puppet. Politically the man is an empty suit. Twenty years or more of an ultra right wing supreme court was the core issue for me, not some blind devotion to President Obama who is, ultimately, a politician like the rest of them.

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Did I miss something? The election is over, right? No one has the option of voting for Romney--that issue is settled.
My question is more basic--Is there any point, real or imagined, that would cause Obama supporters to abandon him, or were repubs who turned on Nixon more honorable than today's democrats?

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It'll be interesting to see how the Benghazi deal plays out. I'm not convinced it's much ado about nothing quite yet. I guess we'll have an idea after Petraeus' testimony today since, good or bad, news always seems to leak out.

That said it wasn't any scandal or "-gate" that steered me away from the GOP 15-20 years ago, broke my loyalty if you will, but rather an abandonment of principals resulting in less personal freedoms and their own big government spending and policies.

Just as I'm sure there were/are some Nixon supporters who still think Watergate was just blown out of proportion, I'm sure there are some Obama supporters (pick any President, actually) who will never waver.

Personally I hope there's nothing because the thought of that clown Biden running the show sends shivers down my spine.

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General Petraus, (USA RET) is no longer an active duty general.

Why not ask after the investigations? Or is the scent of red meat after a bruising election irresistible to the right?