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Old 12-12-2012, 02:51 PM
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Easy solution to the fiscal cliff...perhaps

I am not sure why this has not been proposed by either side, but probably because it makes sense, at least to the common, ordinary people who are neither politicians or their shills.

Instead of fighting about the 2% BO wants to tax, just make this bill a sunset bill and give BO whatever he wants. Let it sunset (expire) in one year, including the tax cuts.

Yes, in a year we'd be facing the fiscal cliff again. However, we'd have a year to see if the sky starts to fall, as the GOP argues, or if instead unicorns will be farting rainbows as the dems foresee.

If things are good, the dems have the better argument so it should be reenacted for a longer term, if not, it's going to die and then the GOP has a stronger argument to give the tax break back to the top two as well.

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Old 12-12-2012, 03:12 PM
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I am not sure why this has not been proposed by either side, but probably because it makes sense, at least to the common, ordinary people who are neither politicians or their shills.

Instead of fighting about the 2% BO wants to tax, just make this bill a sunset bill and give BO whatever he wants. Let it sunset (expire) in one year, including the tax cuts.

Yes, in a year we'd be facing the fiscal cliff again. However, we'd have a year to see if the sky starts to fall, as the GOP argues, or if instead unicorns will be farting rainbows as the dems foresee.

If things are good, the dems have the better argument so it should be reenacted for a longer term, if not, it's going to die and then the GOP has a stronger argument to give the tax break back to the top two as well.
Would the effects been noticeable for the 2013 fiscal year? I think you will have to wait 'till the end of the 2014 or even 2015 fiscal year to see if it worked or not.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:23 PM
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Politicans would never go for it. It's too simple. I like it, too.

Yeah, what he said (*daw points up*), might have to give it more than a year.......
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Easier solution to the fiscal cliff. Quit letting the propaganda services fill your head with s**T. There is no such thing as a fiscal cliff except in the scare you death propaganda services.

The propaganda services convinced enough buffoons to send a bunch of bozos to washington and now they are supposed to do their job. But the bozos are afraid that if they do their job the buffoons won't let them play anymore. So they are trying to make it look like some natural disaster is to blame for the problems.

If you keep playing the games they make for you it will always turn out the same. Same results. SAME SAME. Check einstein's quote about insanity.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:30 PM
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Define good.
Does it mean reducing the projected 2013 deficit by 100 billion? By 50 billion? By 5 million? By 5 cents?
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:56 PM
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Define good.
Does it mean reducing the projected 2013 deficit by 100 billion? By 50 billion? By 5 million? By 5 cents?
In this case I think you could define good as "no negative consequences" so that the deficit doesn't increase and the debt ceiling stays where it is. That would still support the dems' position that the top two can afford to pay a little more without negative consequences. (In any event, you could define "good" later next year if you wanted to debate it, though again, I think if the sky didn't fall, that would be a plus for the dems.)

As far as it taking until 2014 or beyond, I don't really think so. After all, the GOP has been telling us that if the tax cuts for the top two expire, the sky will fall, unemployment will increase drastically, more jobs will leave the US, etc. Assuming their predictions are correct, at least *some* of that would start pretty quickly, because that tax bite would start 1/1/13.

OTOH, dems like to say that their taxes aren't job killers. But lookie what we have here: Democrats seek delay in one Obamacare tax increase - NBC Politics
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Easier solution to the fiscal cliff. Quit letting the propaganda services fill your head with s**T. There is no such thing as a fiscal cliff except in the scare you death propaganda services.

The propaganda services convinced enough buffoons to send a bunch of bozos to washington and now they are supposed to do their job. But the bozos are afraid that if they do their job the buffoons won't let them play anymore. So they are trying to make it look like some natural disaster is to blame for the problems.

If you keep playing the games they make for you it will always turn out the same. Same results. SAME SAME. Check einstein's quote about insanity.
While I agree with you about the latter, in some ways we aren't being scared enough about the ugly consequences of the idiots in Washington failing to agree to SOMETHING. There are plenty of analyses and articles out there that make a pretty good case that our economy is really going to skid if the cuts and increases kick in full force.

And one particularly nasty gotcha that is going to likely hammer the middle class -- in addition to the tax increases next year -- is the AMT (alternative minimum tax) because when that was created, congress "in their wisdom" forgot to tie it to inflation, so the bottom is now really artificially low. Why it's particularly ugly is because the AMT change will affect even the 2012 tax returns, so lots of people who would have gotten refunds are going to end up owing, and lots more who would have owed a little will owe a lot, and of course there is no time to make any changes to your withholding or payments or anything else in order to avoid that nightmare.

Personally I think they should lock them all in a room, no food, no water, no potty breaks, no nothing, until you have a deal. And for every hour you're locked in the room, you lose one month's pay. Permanently. And after each six-hour period, people will come in and beat them with sticks (who wouldn't want to be in that line?).
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:31 PM
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Or we could just look at the past 60yrs when the top tax bracket rate was much higher and see that the sky did not fall or unicorns fart rainbows .........................
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Easier solution to the fiscal cliff. Quit letting the propaganda services fill your head with s**T. There is no such thing as a fiscal cliff except in the scare you death propaganda services.

The propaganda services convinced enough buffoons to send a bunch of bozos to washington and now they are supposed to do their job. But the bozos are afraid that if they do their job the buffoons won't let them play anymore. So they are trying to make it look like some natural disaster is to blame for the problems.

If you keep playing the games they make for you it will always turn out the same. Same results. SAME SAME. Check einstein's quote about insanity.
I completely agree with the last part as long as you are talking about the bufoons on both sides of the aisle.

As far as being scared of the FC, I AM scared of the real one. What they are calling the FC is not the real one.

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