Vanessa Dobos, Air Force, aerial gunner

[whunter]

The point of this thread is front line combat female military service.
Thoughts regarding the topic are welcome.
If it is political, it must be specific - on point for the TOPIC = No political trash.
NO diatribe - attacks on the USA, military and/or military personnel.


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Women In Military Service For America Memorial

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[Benz Fan]

Is it ok if I use a different font than usual?

[Txjake]

rock on Vanessa.............

[whunter]

Originally Posted by Benz Fan

Is it ok if I use a different font than usual?

Your choice.

[Air&Road]

I would say to her the same thing I would say to ANY US fighting person:

KICK ASS & TAKE NAMES!

[R Leo]

I was just reading an interesting article in Aviation History mag about, IIRC, the woman who was the first female combat helicopter pilot. The pilot that was the focus of the article flew Chinooks in the first Iraq war. Hard to believe but she's done her 20 and retired. Can it have been that long ago?

Did anyone here realize Stormin' Norman passed away 12/27?

RIP General, you served your country well.

[Air&Road]

I certainly didn't miss the death of General Schwarzkopf. To me, he was one of the last no nonsense, minimum political type Generals.

RIP General. I offer my salute.

[Angel]

Women have shown that they can enter the submarine force, and earn their dolphins - thats enough for me.

We, as a country, still have about 10 or 20 years before we live in a 'star trek' world (where race and gender are not an issue), and there will be a LOT of growing pains on the way (example: the USN's underway pregnancy and sexual harassment rate...). But its a journey worth taking.
The Israeli military seems to have a handle on gender issues, and has a lot of female troops, look how good their military performs.

-John

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by Angel

Women have shown that they can enter the submarine force, and earn their dolphins - thats enough for me.

We, as a country, still have about 10 or 20 years before we live in a 'star trek' world (where race and gender are not an issue), and there will be a LOT of growing pains on the way (example: the USN's underway pregnancy and sexual harassment rate...). But its a journey worth taking.
The Israeli military seems to have a handle on gender issues, and has a lot of female troops, look how good their military performs.

-John

I look forward to the time when women become Ranger qualified or pass BUD/S.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Botnst

I look forward to the time when women become Ranger qualified or pass BUD/S.

I think I read not long ago that there has yet to be a woman manage to complete Navy Seal training in spite of what has been shown in the movies.

[Botnst]

I have no doubt that there's a human exception to every human rule. It will be interesting.

[elchivito]

She ain't hard on the eyes neither.
Just saying.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by R Leo

I was just reading an interesting article in Aviation History mag about, IIRC, the woman who was the first female combat helicopter pilot. The pilot that was the focus of the article flew Chinooks in the first Iraq war. Hard to believe but she's done her 20 and retired. Can it have been that long ago?

Did anyone here realize Stormin' Norman passed away 12/27?

RIP General, you served your country well.

I did not hear that... too bad, he was a great guy. Was a semi regular at the Telluride Bluegrass Festival, met him in the beer line some number of years ago...
Had a number of very interesting discussions with him, and he would always come and say hello when he came backstage.

RIP General, thanks for everything.

[Txjake]

Originally Posted by elchivito

She ain't hard on the eyes neither.
Just saying.

I'd hit it.....

[Pooka]

Originally Posted by Air&Road

I certainly didn't miss the death of General Schwarzkopf. To me, he was one of the last no nonsense, minimum political type Generals.

RIP General. I offer my salute.

IF you can find a copy of his book it is well worth reading.

One thing that impressed me about him was that he was willing to admit he made mistakes. I have know some real Captains of Industry that would do anything necessary to wiggle out of something they fouled up. One of them even told me the way to get ahead was to deny any wrong and take credit for any good.

Norm was more into the 'Man up and admit it' thing even when he was the one that had to do the admitting. Nothing can be corrected until the facts are known, and telling a lie only holds back progress.

At BIG oil we never fired anyone for telling the truth. You could destroy millions of dollars worth of equipment, but as long as no one got killed all was forgiven. But if me or my accident reconstruction team found you had lied the higher ups would not forgive and you were banished from the scene.

Honesty is the best policy, and Norm preached that over and over again.