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HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:26 PM

DHS 12 years later...........are they protecting us?
 
After the 9/11 attack, DHS and TSA were formed to protect us from the bad guys. As many know, it is now a large agency with a lot of $$$$$$ behind it to fight "terrorism". It appears that the cops have become amazingly fast and accurate in apprehending the bad guy(s) in rapid fashion after a terrorism "incident". Why aren't they equally efficient at PREVENTING a terrorist incident in the first place?

Jim B. 04-19-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3133775)
After the 9/11 attack, DHS and TSA were formed to protect us from the bad guys. As many know, it is now a large agency with a lot of $$$$$$ behind it to fight "terrorism". It appears that the cops have become amazingly fast and accurate in apprehending the bad guy(s) in rapid fashion after a terrorism "incident". Why aren't they equally efficient at PREVENTING a terrorist incident in the first place?

(from another forum)

One moral already. Two kids, common intelligence, wanting to make a statement, or whatever, succeeded despite homeland security, patriot act, TSA and the whole "war on terror" and all of our rights that were taken. Thousands or millions of lives internationally, freedom of Americans destroyed, trillions of dollars, inconceivable time, money, and burden, to all Americans, FOR NOTHING!

What will their answer now be? Escalate what they are already doing even more.

HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:38 PM

I know of a guy who flies often with a large block of metal buried in his suit case. Written on the top of the metal block are the words, "Bill of Rights" in large font. When TSA questions him about why he has a metal block in his luggage, he places the metal block in the TSA agent's hands and says, "Oh, go ahead and take the BILL OF RIGHTS". They are not amused..........

Volker 04-19-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3133775)
After the 9/11 attack, DHS and TSA were formed to protect us from the bad guys. As many know, it is now a large agency with a lot of $$$$$$ behind it to fight "terrorism". It appears that the cops have become amazingly fast and accurate in apprehending the bad guy(s) in rapid fashion after a terrorism "incident". Why aren't they equally efficient at PREVENTING a terrorist incident in the first place?

Well, it is hard to say. After 9/11 everyone was worried that USA would have attacks all the time like some ****hole country (like Irak or Pakistan or one of those). But instead there was basically no terrorist attack on US soil between then and now. So maybe it is working pretty good!

Or maybe not...

anyway, how do you prevent these kinds of things?

HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker (Post 3133783)
Well, it is hard to say. After 9/11 everyone was worried that USA would have attacks all the time like some ****hole country (like Irak or Pakistan or one of those). But instead there was basically no terrorist attack on US soil between then and now. So maybe it is working pretty good!

Or maybe not...

anyway, how do you prevent these kinds of things?

My question is POST terrorism incident, they appear to roll out the big cannons in terms of resources which results in a rapid arrest of the "suspects". IF, they are willing to roll out such massive manpower POST terrorist incident, why not roll out even MORE manpower PRIOR to a major public event (bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, hell you name it they have it) to make at least a good faith effort to prevent the incident from ever happening. Granted, prevention isn't near as sexy as rounding up nut jobs after the incident but it does tend to save lives.......

Volker 04-19-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3133785)
My question is POST terrorism incident, they appear to roll out the big cannons in terms of resources which results in a rapid arrest of the "suspects". IF, they are willing to roll out such massive manpower POST terrorist incident, why not roll out even MORE manpower PRIOR to a major public event (bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, hell you name it they have it) to make at least a good faith effort to prevent the incident from ever happening. Granted, prevention isn't near as sexy as rounding up nut jobs after the incident but it does tend to save lives.......

Too expensive, too much invasion of liberty and privacy, and the terrorist always pokes in the place you didn't prepare...

I mean imagine airport-security BS when you want to go to a car show or see a movie or some other major public event. Cure worse than the disease!

You can try doing like France and have soldiers walking around with machine guns in the metro and such, but even then, they had that maghrebin maniac shooting the Jews in Toulouse and other idiots on the wrong side of the Periph flipping everyone's car over and setting it on fire, all the time! (it is like a national sport now...)

HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker (Post 3133788)
Too expensive, too much invasion of liberty and privacy, and the terrorist always pokes in the place you didn't prepare...

I mean imagine airport-security BS when you want to go to a car show or see a movie or some other major public event. Cure worse than the disease!

You can try doing like France and have soldiers walking around with machine guns in the metro and such, but even then, they had that maghrebin maniac shooting the Jews in Toulouse and other idiots on the wrong side of the Periph flipping everyone's car over and setting it on fire, all the time! (it is like a national sport now...)

It doesn't appear to be too much invasion of privacy or too expensive to perform HOUSE TO HOUSE sweeps throughout Boston to locate the "suspect(s)". That, in and of itself, costs a lot of $$$$$$$$.

davidmash 04-19-2013 10:50 PM

With TSA it might be better if they hired professionals such as retired cops, SS, military ..., etc who have a better idea of what to look for. As it stands now they hire kids with a GED and you get what you pay for. We want safety but are not willing to pay for people who know how to do the job. Perhaps the same could be applied to DHS as well.

HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3133790)
With TSA it might be better if they hired professionals such as retired cops, SS, military ..., etc who have a better idea of what to look for. As it stands now they hire kids with a GED and you get what you pay for. We want safety but are not willing to pay for people who know how to do the job. Perhaps the same could be applied to DHS as well.

Basically, you are saying that the government hires idiots.

Jorn 04-19-2013 10:52 PM

Do you really think it's possible to prevent a terrorist attack like this? Even with all the cctv cameras in London they can't stop it, it's a farce.

HuskyMan 04-19-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3133792)
Do you really think it's possible to prevent a terrorist attack like this? Even with all the cctv cameras in London they can't stop it, it's a farce.

Step back and take a look. Two morons appear to be have defeated bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, bomb detecting robots, etc etc. IF, they had wanted to secure the area prior to the Boston maraton, "they" had the means (money, technology and manpower) to do so.

Volker 04-19-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3133791)
Basically, you are saying that the government hires idiots.

DUH, it's government. I mean the best anyone has ever seen out of a government anything is like 45% full retard and usually it is 90% + idiot. They are always the ones that don't get hired in the real world...

cmbdiesel 04-19-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3133789)
It doesn't appear to be too much invasion of privacy or too expensive to perform HOUSE TO HOUSE sweeps throughout Boston to locate the "suspect(s)". That, in and of itself, costs a lot of $$$$$$$$.

And you would want that to occur before something happened???:confused:

What are you? Some kind of fascist??

And your friend who flies with a block of metal is an a$$whole.
Hope they take him in for a brain scan, he's obviously not fit to take to the air with regular people....
Just because something you have to deal with is wrong, does not give you carte blanche to behave like a douche bag.

spdrun 04-19-2013 11:00 PM

Maybe occasional attacks of that type are simply the price of living in a relatively free society. i.e. you can't stop all crime of that type without resorting to measures which would be overly intrusive. Now's the time to try the little twerp, if convicted, lock him up, throw away the key, and move on.

Looking on the bright side, drunken bus drivers have done more damage. Hope he gets a "room" next to Terry Nichols, so the latter can mock his terroristic ineptitude on a regular basis. (Hell on earth for a terrorist.)

cmbdiesel 04-19-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker (Post 3133795)
DUH, it's government. I mean the best anyone has ever seen out of a government anything is like 45% full ****** and usually it is 90% + idiot. They are always the ones that don't get hired in the real world...

Ya know... you should choose your words more carefully.
In fact, you should edit your post.


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