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Old 05-14-2013, 08:37 AM
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guilty till proven innocent?

Obama Administration Scraps Free Speech

It appears that way. Just another reason I hope my son's are able to succeed in life without having to go to a university.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:43 AM
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I thought there was a Popcorn icon on here, but there isn't.

I'll just draw up a chair. This should be good.

It's quite entertaining watching the liberals scramble for their defenses on all this stuff. There are so many going on right now, their efforts are divided.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:23 AM
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Oh, yes, Mona Charon...an unbiased observer.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:32 AM
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Innocent until proven guilty has a nice ring to it. Try being identified by several eyewitnesses. At the time of the crime you where home alone watching televison.

We all have look alikes that are almost dead ringers out there somewhere. There is also the issue of dna evidence clearing some people that have been incarcerated for a long time that occassionaly arises. There is no doubt they were innocent.

What also bothers me is why once it is conclusivly proven they were innocent. They are not released from prison right away.

Evidence in your favour can be blocked from use in pre trial hearings by technicalities as well. I am little versed in the legal system but know of one serious attempt to block absolute evidence in one case.

The serious attempt was to eliminate it from the trial based on the police not collecting it. Instead the individual himself had. Some public pressure was brought to bear when this was going on. Otherwise they may have gotten away with it. With out that evidence being admitted he would have been convicted. He should not even have been charged. His legal bill was forty thousand. No practical recourse for that.

As it was he and his family had to move away because too many people feel that once charged you must be guilty. They not knowing the details of the case. It presents a stigma to some degree in serious cases just being charged and going to court.

The french invented the justice system. In some ways I find that system prefferable. Or if I was innocent think I would have a better chance under it.

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Old 05-14-2013, 11:16 AM
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Send your sons to a university. Trying to make it today without a good formal education is like trying to prevail on a battlefield of artillery using only a butterknife.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:21 AM
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Oh, yes, Mona Charon...an unbiased observer.
The right-wingers just love their crackpots, don't they?
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:22 AM
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I got through a university just fine without any accusations or charges...I dunno, maybe I just got lucky. Bigger chance is that I'm not an idiot who preys on drunk girls.

Root of the problem is that most sexual assaults are not reported. When they are reported the evidence can be iffy--what needs to happen is education on how to report, when to report, and what qualifies. Lots of schools are good about this, some are not (I'm looking at some religiously affiliated schools....)
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:30 AM
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Send your sons to a university. Trying to make it today without a good formal education is like trying to prevail on a battlefield of artillery using only a butterknife.
There is a lot of truth to this. In a potential constantly shrinking job market in the years ahead especially. I had the freedom of doing what I wanted all my life just by aquired knowledge.

For me learning was and still is a way of life. I think it was all the challenges that made it possible over the years. Even in old age it still pays off.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:54 AM
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uh, seems to be a bit of trying to discredit the Mona instead of refuting what she has said. Calling her biased or a crackpot does not make what she said any less true. If you can prove what she said is false, go for it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:03 PM
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uh, seems to be a bit of trying to discredit the Mona instead of refuting what she has said. Calling her biased or a crackpot does not make what she said any less true. If you can prove what she said is false, go for it.
Would proving or disproving her rant make her any more or less a crackpot? I say no, so crackpot she is. If you can prove that she's not a crackpot, uh, go for it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:13 PM
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Point being she stated facts and gave an analysis of the situation. You did nothing to refute those facts or her analysis. I don't care what you think of her. Do you challange what she has stated? Let's try to deal with the issue she presented.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:56 PM
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Why no word from this women about the 20 to 25% of women raped on campus?
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:00 PM
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The right-wingers just love their crackpots, don't they?
As do the left-wingers.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:47 PM
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The article was dealing with the suspnesion of due process and presumption of innocence. The abymsal lack of safety for college students on campus, especially female students, is a whole issue that deserves to be addressed on its own.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:12 PM
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Send your sons to a university. Trying to make it today without a good formal education is like trying to prevail on a battlefield of artillery using only a butterknife.
Your fallacy of thinking everyone needs a university education needs revision from an expert in the field- like the Secretary of Education.

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