Not sure who saw this on the news but it it got me thinking. In a nut shell, there is a 10 year old girl who has CF. According to her doctors she has a few weeks left to live if she does not get a lung transplant.

The way I understand this is that since she is under 12 years old she does not qualify for an adult donation even thought the donation would work. She can only get another childs lungs. The only way she could get lungs from an adult is if all the adults in the region who are eligible for the lungs are either rejected or they pass. Whether they are more or less critical is not relevant.

So my question is if you were on the list for needed a pair of lungs would you pass or would you take them. To make it the same for everyone, lets say that the doc has said you probably (no guarantee) have 6-9 months to live with out a transplant. No guarantees another pair of lungs will come up if you pass on this pair. We will assume that if you pass, all others will pass as well and the child will get the lungs. Everything else is your life as it is now, age, family, kids, spouse... etc.

I am 47, married with no kids. Talking about this with my wife she said I take the lungs. I said I do not think I could and look my self in the mirror knowing that by my taking a pair of lungs at 47, a 10 year old child died. I do not think I could do that.

I was asking a few people I know and my theory is that people who are a bit older are a bit more likely to pass and that those who are younger, have young children are more likely to take the lungs. I understand both POV's

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This is where the entire conjecture falls apart.

It is a certainty that all others will not pass.

One of them (probably the next person asked) will take the lungs.

You will die.

The child will also die.

I understand that possibility. I still cant take it knowing a 10 year old will die. Perhaps I can say that assuming no one else takes it, I will not take it. Not sure. Either way, I do not think I can wake up each morning and look in the mirror.

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By this logic, you could never accept any donated organ because said organ might be used to keep another younger person alive............maybe a 16 year old.

Is there a fundamental difference between a 10 year old and a 16 year old?

Furthermore, you would NEVER get to know the next person inline for the organ if you were to decline it.

The entire premise is flawed.

No. If you read what I wrote or searched for the story you would find that the issue is with the age of 12. Over 12 and the same rules apply to everyone. The most critical gets the first shot. Under 12 and they do not get a shot at all. So the issue with a 16 yr old would never happen nor 12 yr old or 1 20 yr old.

No scenarios are perfect. This is just a mental exercise to see what people would do. DOn't like it then don't participate. Not sure why you have to be so obnoxious all the time.

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Knock yourself out with a ridiculous premise.

Apparently, you don't appreciate realizing the stupidity of the exercise. Sorry about that.

I'd go to China and get convict lungs, leaving the lungs here for whomever

The kid...always the kid.

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I'll make it easy and say the kid is my grandchild. Now I'll let them have my lungs.

could I give them just one so we both can live?

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Id take the lungs, and ill explain my reasoning.

Its easy enough for us to sit on a computer, think idly about this for a moment, and make a noble concession for the child, but none of us are actually facing the decision for real, and its extremely difficult to place yourself truly in the shoes of someone who is going to die shortly.

If you are willing to give up your life for this child in this situation, when sometimes people have been waiting years on a list at deaths door hoping against hope, you should also be willing to lay down your life or risk it NOW for this child to live, and who among us posting has run out and contacted these people intending to donate a lung? Id wager none.

You might say oh well its an exercise and I'm perfectly healthy right now, ect, but I ask, why should th decision be different based on your current health? Why would it be EASIER when you stand in desparate straights and your life depends on it?

if you aren't willing to donate a lung NOW, then I doubt any of us is willing to pass on a lung when it means our life.

The situation would be different for immediate family, but even then most people are not willing to die so that another shall live. Many are willing to cripple themselves by donating half of twin organs, and that I think is a great act in itself.

I think you should ask yourself how likely you are to give someone you don't know one of your lungs immediately in your current health, and then you have the answer how likely you are to pass on an organ donation you desperately need. At 47, you stand to live another 30-40 years.

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Interest POV but I think I look at this from a different angle.

First off I just checked with my doctor (having my shoulder looked at) and she said you cannot donate a lung. You need both of them. there are patients who have part of their lung removed due to illness but you are compromised andshe has never heard of anyone donating one of their lungs.

I think mynissue with this and my purpose for the question is that if the girl were 12 instead of 10 there would be no issue as she would be first on the list. Since she is 10 she is not.

If I am dieing and she is dieing I don't know why I should get preferential treatment mearly due to my age. So all other things being equal I could not take the lungs just because the system set up puts me to the head of the line.

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Under the view of the new progressive order, the child has contributed less to society as a whole and the lungs would benefit a more productive, educated teenager who can directly benefit the collective.

Me first. I live. I don't know the 10 yo nor do I have a relationship with them so I serve myself. I have a policy about self sacrifice. It has to be for someone I care about. Some unknown kid, I don't care about? I want to live.

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Well, not so sure where you're driving, but........

........under Obama's "Obamacare Death Panels," I would have to believe that the 10 yr. old lives.

~sigh~

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