That is not what I said. You are getting as intent on twisting words as Paul.

We're back to the meaning of words Kerry.

A category inherently contains restrictions and definitions which differentiate it from something else.

Christians are those who believe in the Trinitarian God YHWH. If they don't, then they aren't Christians, they're something else. The earliest Christians believed this, and Christians today believe this.

Call gnostics, the Ebionites (who I don't believe ever called themselves Christians), the Arians and the Marcionites "pseudo-Christians" or whatever you want. But they aren't and never have been Christians.

you said this-


I pointed out that you were in fact incorrect, as there has been numerous times when a majority was in the correct, and a minority in the wrong, abolition of slavery as an example.

you then said that proved your point somehow.

Continue conflating the issues on your own time.

Goodbye.

"I doubt that there has ever been any point in time when those who are astute and correct have been the majority."
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Doesn't look to me as if any twisting was involved.

how exactly am i combining issues?

getting upset and leaving the conversation because I don't agree with your terms and definitions of what YOU consider truth and fact is not my problem. Several hundred years ago I may have been burned or hung for my viewpoints now, but fortunately, the world has come a long way out of the dark ages in the last couple centuries. Living in fear of an all knowing all seeing being that has never been proved at any time except for outlandish stories from antiquity strikes me as silly.

I prefer facts I can see and understand, and it seems to me that humans are no more than another type of organism that has developed over hundreds of thousands of years with our most notable defense, intelligence.

I agree that categories are meaningful. But your restrictions on the category 'Christian' are anachronistic and exclusionary. The question of what is included in the category 'Christian' is determined by historical investigation and not by normative decisions by church bodies intent on narrowing the category in accord with their own ideas. You privilege certain people and traditions in determining what 'Christian' means. The prime example is your privileging of St. Paul. The fact that he calls his opponents 'false teachers' proves that there were Christians who held different ideas about Christianity than St. Paul's yet you insist on using his ideas as the measure of Christianity. It's historically inaccurate and disingenuous. Those opponents of St. Paul were as Christian as he was.

So let me understand. If a person does ill,he is flung out of the group thus you can say that christians are good only? Sounds like Mission Impossible. If caught you will be disavowed.

Silly me; I thought the mark of a Christian was what Jesus Commanded over and over.:rolleyes:

John13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."

Using this scripture; I don't know if I have ever met a Christian.;)

OK. So are Catholics and Baptists christians?

I'm pretty sure Martureo is on record here saying Catholics aren't Christians.

Here's a halfway decent summary of the various controversies surrounding the divinity of Jesus in the first few hundred years. You can see the variety of different ideas advocated by a variety of Christians in that period. Martureo's position is that only the winners in these debates count as Christians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christology

In my experience, the average Christian is not aware of these differences, can't articulate the orthodox position, and often say that they believe things which were declared heresies in these various councils.

Let me put it this way. If you can say the Nicene Creed and agree with the theology behind it, you are a Christian.

Catholics and Baptists are groups of people. I wouldn't go out and say that every single one was or wasn't a Christian.

I said that Roman Catholicism wasn't Christian.

My position is that only those who held beliefs which were supported and not condemned by the NT and who agree with the original believers are Christians. Please don't misrepresent me.And? What does that have to do with anything?