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Old 07-27-2013, 06:48 PM
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Should the prez give up his Nobel prize?

I for one think so:

Abdulelah Haider Shaye, Yemeni Journalist, Freed From Prison

He has betrayed it.

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Old 07-27-2013, 07:10 PM
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Please explain your thinking on this.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:14 PM
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If the article is accurate, it suggests Obama personally intervened to prevent the release of this journalist, who it seems was tried in a kangaroo court.

More concerning, it appears the journalist uncovered a questionable drone strike by the U.S. that claimed heavy civilian casualties.

Dead women and children.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:25 PM
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If the article is accurate, it suggests Obama personally intervened to prevent the release of this journalist, who it seems was tried in a kangaroo court.

More concerning, it appears the journalist uncovered a questionable drone strike by the U.S. that claimed heavy civilian casualties.

Dead women and children.
I read the article but did not take away such solid sounding thoughts.

The president was given the nobel probably more than anything else because he was not GWB. Just because he got it does not mean he suddenly has to conform to some code of behavior either. He was elected president. The office has realities and responsibilities which cause a good percentage of his actions to be the same as anybody occupying the office.
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I for one think so:

Abdulelah Haider Shaye, Yemeni Journalist, Freed From Prison

He has betrayed it.
I don't think he should give it back. However not because of this journalist individual. He betrayed it the moment he accepted it when he didn't have the character to decline it as he should have. However his inappropriate acceptance thereof is less relevant than the debasing of the prize itself by the decision of the Nobel committee to award it to him in the first place. Subsequently to that charade the prize itself and anything to do with it is a meaningless farce.

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Old 07-27-2013, 07:56 PM
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I don't think he should give it back. However not because of this journalist individual. He betrayed it the moment he accepted it when he didn't have the character to decline it as he should have. However his inappropriate acceptance thereof is less relevant than the debasing of the prize itself by the decision of the Nobel committee to award it to him in the first place. Subsequently to that charade the prize itself and anything to do with it is a meaningless farce.

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I think if you look at the recipients of it in the past his award is far from the most questionable.
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No he should not give it back as he should never have accepted in the first place. I do understand that he did donate the fund to charity, if you consider the DNC a charity.
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I read the article but did not take away such solid sounding thoughts.
This article doesn't - but if you follow the all the links embedded within the article, then you'll start to see why there's such a fuss about this journalist's fate.

He seems to be a fairly well respected journalist, so I wonder why the POTUS would want him to remain imprisoned.

Regarding the prize, I agree - he should never have accepted it in the first place. However, at the time I believe he was awarded the prize because of his position regarding the on-going conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, he has since decided its safer to play polics as usual and seems to have no problem with U.S. drone strikes and indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians.
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I don't think he should give it back. However not because of this journalist individual. He betrayed it the moment he accepted it when he didn't have the character to decline it as he should have. However his inappropriate acceptance thereof is less relevant than the debasing of the prize itself by the decision of the Nobel committee to award it to him in the first place. Subsequently to that charade the prize itself and anything to do with it is a meaningless farce.

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Well said. The appropriate response would have been to inform the nobel committee how much they cheapened such a high honor by using it as a political bargaining tool. Reward people for their actions completed, not for their promises made. Shame on them for lowering the nobel prize to the level of a cracker jack box toy, and shame on Obama for accepting it.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:58 PM
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I think if you look at the recipients of it in the past his award is far from the most questionable.
That is true, but it only makes it more unfortunate that as incoming president of a nation deeply embroiled in two armed conflicts at the time that they would offer him such a prize, and that he accepted it.

Because he wasn't GWB was certainly cause for celebration, but not for throwing around awards like the nobel prize.

However now that he has it, the issue is moot. The time for turning it down is a long time past
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:39 AM
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he never deserved one!
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He should be awarded another one for the same reason he was awarded the first.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:35 AM
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I don't like him so yeah he should have to give it back. The Nobel as well as any other awards he ever got all the way back to when he was a madrassah student in Kenya. Or Africa. Or wherever it was.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:34 PM
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Have they asked for it back?
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I don't think he should give it back. However not because of this journalist individual. He betrayed it the moment he accepted it when he didn't have the character to decline it as he should have. However his inappropriate acceptance thereof is less relevant than the debasing of the prize itself by the decision of the Nobel committee to award it to him in the first place. Subsequently to that charade the prize itself and anything to do with it is a meaningless farce.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree with that, but I take it further. Giving him the prize at the beginning of his reign was pure idiocy. Ha had not had the chance to prove himself worthy of it, and has yet to prove such a thing.

It reminded me of how they made heroes of the astronauts right after selecting them before they had done ANYTHING.

Of course that's how liberals operate. Proven facts are nothing to them. All that count are their ideologies.

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