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hill 08-21-2013 02:23 PM

The NRA has collected a secret gun registry
 
http://westernshootingjournal.com/industrynews/nra-compiled-secret-gun-registry/

The NRA has collected a secret gun registry -type database on tens of millions of American gun owners, without their knowledge or consent, according to Buzzfeed. This information was leaked by a former NRA Lobbyist.
Ironic because the NRA historically has preached and campaigned against the threat of a national database of firearms and the gun owners. But, in fact NRA themselves housed over 10 million information on gun owners.
This compilation didn’t happen overnight, but through years of efforts of obtaining lists on gun permits registration from state and county offices nationwide. The lists

t walgamuth 08-21-2013 03:20 PM

Ha! What they gonna do, steal all our guns so we have to buy new?;)

P.C. 08-21-2013 03:31 PM

They're gonna help Obammie steal our guns! Turncoats!

spdrun 08-21-2013 03:34 PM

They're raising a private zombie army and need to be inconspicuous, so they need to know where to steal guns from.

ruchase 08-21-2013 03:35 PM

Well as long as it's the NRA compiling the list, we can rest safely. After all, its not like the NRA is actively involved in partisan politics, right?

elchivito 08-21-2013 03:35 PM

It's OK, it's the NRA. I'm sure they have a perfectly good reason for it.

ruchase 08-21-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3195558)
It's OK, it's the NRA. I'm sure they have a perfectly good reason for it.

You're damn right! A wise man once said "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Likewise, the only thing that stops a bad gubberment with a gun registry is a good lobbyist with a gun registry.

spdrun 08-21-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3195558)
It's OK, it's the NRA. I'm sure they have a perfectly good reason for it.

Because they're a filthy Commie Rosenfeltian-era construct dedicated to turning the US into the dam Sovi... oh wait, different NRA.

http://www.wolfsonian.org/sites/default/files/object/84.4.666.JPG

hill 08-21-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3195565)
Because they're a filthy Commie Rosenfeltian-era construct dedicated to turning the US into the dam Sovi... oh wait, different NRA.

http://www.wolfsonian.org/sites/default/files/object/84.4.666.JPG

You started with a good point. Everyone knows that the Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and the Boulder Dam were utter failures. :P

Skippy 08-21-2013 05:47 PM

The link in the OP is not working for me.

elchivito 08-21-2013 05:52 PM

Yup. It's a 404
NRA prolly threatened to pull their funding....

jplinville 08-21-2013 06:12 PM

A quick search found nothing but blogs reporting the story...so that means it's not a story.

Seriously, folks...don't post crap like this unless it's a real story. Weblogs aren't news reporters, they are trash talkers.

Hell...to think that I would have actually given credit if it was at least MSNBC...

ruchase 08-21-2013 06:13 PM

I had to do a separate search for it. Not sure about the credibility of the source - but then again, who can say any of the media is credible.

How The NRA Built A Massive Secret Database Of Gun Owners

spdrun 08-21-2013 06:18 PM

In all seriousness, the story wouldn't surprise me. NRA is first and foremost a political lobbying organization -- no reason why it wouldn't collect names and addresses of potential members to convince them to support the cause.

Just Marketing 101, no creepier than Greenpeace or your local politico running for mayor -- ever get leaflets in the mail or cold calls from those people?

Skippy 08-21-2013 06:22 PM

I see. Not so much a database of gun owners as of people with a demonstrated interest in guns who might be willing to support or join NRA and at whom marketing efforts can be directed.

spdrun 08-21-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3195633)
I see. Not so much a database of gun owners as of people with a demonstrated interest in guns who might be willing to support or join NRA and at whom marketing efforts can be directed.

Surprise, surprise.

elchivito 08-21-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3195630)
A quick search found nothing but blogs reporting the story...so that means it's not a story.

Seriously, folks...don't post crap like this unless it's a real story. Weblogs aren't news reporters, they are trash talkers.

Hell...to think that I would have actually given credit if it was at least MSNBC...

Can I quote you the next time somebody posts something like This?

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/342788-very-disturbing-what-emperor-has-gotten-us-into.html
:D

ruchase 08-21-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3195632)
In all seriousness, the story wouldn't surprise me. NRA is first and foremost a political lobbying organization -- no reason why it wouldn't collect names and addresses of potential members to convince them to support the cause.

Just Marketing 101, no creepier than Greenpeace or your local politico running for mayor.

My only objection is the way NRA goes about collecting this information - by mandating these states to have to have a NRA gun safety certification before a gun license is issued.

It appears the NRA has unfairly cornered this market, and has enough GOP politicians on their payroll to ensure they keep the market segment strong. As gun owner I had to take the NRA gun safety course - it bothers me that I am forced to contribute to an organization like the NRA indirectly through this requirement. I am equally certain that conservatives would be appalled if their money went towards funding some leftist organization through some state law requiring them to pay for a similar license that was cornered by a liberal group.

spdrun 08-21-2013 06:52 PM

Could another entity start a gun course that has equivalent material? It would seem that giving a private company a state monopoly would violate the Sherman Act.

elchivito 08-21-2013 06:59 PM

My state will issue a CCW to anyone who has taken a course from an NRA certified instructor. The state doesn't mandate the course curriculum or study items at all, they just issue the form for the instructor to sign. Other than simplifying the buying process at a gun store, a CCW in AZ is unnecessary. It's legal to carry concealed here without a permit of any kind. What's scary is that our CCW is reciprocal with a bunch of states. A buddy of mine, who frankly doesn't shoot very much, has no LE or military background etc. just completed his NRA instructor certification and has set himself up to do private instruction through our only local shooting range. He described the certification process as butt simple and nearly worthless.
I feel safer already.

engatwork 08-21-2013 07:46 PM

Quote:

They're raising a private zombie army and need to be inconspicuous, so they need to know where to steal guns from.
They will know where to go to recruit the soldiers for the zombie army:).

I taught my wife how to shoot by showing her how to turn the safety off on the AK, leveling it at whoever she is confronting and start pulling the trigger as fast as she can:rolleyes:. She is easily confused and I figured she would do as good using this procedure with a 30 round clip as she would with a revolver or simi-auto. With that said, never teach your wife to shoot as good as you do:rolleyes:.

jk'ing

MTI 08-21-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3195630)
A quick search found nothing but blogs reporting the story...so that means it's not a story.

Seriously, folks...don't post crap like this unless it's a real story. Weblogs aren't news reporters, they are trash talkers.

Hell...to think that I would have actually given credit if it was at least MSNBC...

Wow, combined with A&R's quotable regarding anomalies, this has been quite the time for taking note.

Dudesky 08-21-2013 10:24 PM

Good thing Buzzfeed isn't anti-gun. :eek:

Dudesky 08-21-2013 10:33 PM

You do know DNC and now GOP use similar data encompassing all areas of voter preferences for many many other things than guns?

Supposedly is why Obama had an edge in 08'.

Emmerich 08-21-2013 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3195643)
Could another entity start a gun course that has equivalent material? It would seem that giving a private company a state monopoly would violate the Sherman Act.

A monopoly is not illegal. If you decided to make buggy whips, you would have no competition. Perfectly legal. Its only if you use a monopoly position unfairly is it illegal.

From Sherman:
"To protect the consumers by preventing arrangements designed, or which tend, to advance the cost of goods to the consumer.

Jorn 08-21-2013 11:22 PM

The NRA is a gun database by definition.

Skippy 08-22-2013 12:04 AM

More of a gun enthusiast database. I was an NRA member for about four years before I actually owned a gun.

spdrun 08-22-2013 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmerich (Post 3195745)
A monopoly is not illegal. If you decided to make buggy whips, you would have no competition. Perfectly legal. Its only if you use a monopoly position unfairly is it illegal.

Getting a state to sanction and maintain your monopoly might be seen as "unfair use."

jplinville 08-22-2013 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3195636)

Feel free to do so. One thing I've learned by hanging out with you bozos is that if you're going to post a story, make sure it's from a credible source, preferably from the AP or BBC...they are generally not one sided.

Weblogs are a waste of time and do nothing but ignore the facts and spread BS.

Admittedly, I occasionally read some of the right wing conspiracy sites to see if I can find a nugget after the fact. I learned a few years ago to not post their links unless they've been compared to left wing sources as well. Once that happens, then it's Game On.

There's a difference between reality of the whole picture and fantazy based on just a few words from a piece of paper. The thread you referenced in the above quote is a perfect example. There will be no blue hats marching in US streets, grabbing your guns, no matter what kind they are, providing they fall within the realm of the law. If you read the entire published information on that story, you'll see that it involves RPGs, nuclear, weaponized chemical, and other similar weapons...basically what is illegal to own. It doesn't point to legal full autos, semi auto rifles and pistols, revolvers or shotguns...someone on that thread said that there's not enough blue hat wearing people to handle the amount of weapons in this country. Hell...our own government can't control it, what makes anyone think that the UN can?

Like I said...people shouldn't be posting BS from weblogs unless they understand that what is being said is generally not true, and twisted from just a few uttered words.

Dudesky 08-22-2013 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3195780)
Feel free to do so. One thing I've learned by hanging out with you bozos is that if you're going to post a story, make sure it's from a credible source, preferably from the AP or BBC...they are generally not one sided.

Weblogs are a waste of time and do nothing but ignore the facts and spread BS.

Admittedly, I occasionally read some of the right wing conspiracy sites to see if I can find a nugget after the fact. I learned a few years ago to not post their links unless they've been compared to left wing sources as well. Once that happens, then it's Game On.

There's a difference between reality of the whole picture and fantazy based on just a few words from a piece of paper. The thread you referenced in the above quote is a perfect example. There will be no blue hats marching in US streets, grabbing your guns, no matter what kind they are, providing they fall within the realm of the law. If you read the entire published information on that story, you'll see that it involves RPGs, nuclear, weaponized chemical, and other similar weapons...basically what is illegal to own. It doesn't point to legal full autos, semi auto rifles and pistols, revolvers or shotguns...someone on that thread said that there's not enough blue hat wearing people to handle the amount of weapons in this country. Hell...our own government can't control it, what makes anyone think that the UN can?

Like I said...people shouldn't be posting BS from weblogs unless they understand that what is being said is generally not true, and twisted from just a few uttered words.


Different view from their side of the street JP. :rolleyes:

Air&Road 08-22-2013 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hill (Post 3195578)
You started with a good point. Everyone knows that the Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam and the Boulder Dam were utter failures. :P


.............. and built by private contractors.

t walgamuth 08-22-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3195780)
Feel free to do so. One thing I've learned by hanging out with you bozos is that if you're going to post a story, make sure it's from a credible source, preferably from the AP or BBC...they are generally not one sided.

Weblogs are a waste of time and do nothing but ignore the facts and spread BS.

Admittedly, I occasionally read some of the right wing conspiracy sites to see if I can find a nugget after the fact. I learned a few years ago to not post their links unless they've been compared to left wing sources as well. Once that happens, then it's Game On.

There's a difference between reality of the whole picture and fantazy based on just a few words from a piece of paper. The thread you referenced in the above quote is a perfect example. There will be no blue hats marching in US streets, grabbing your guns, no matter what kind they are, providing they fall within the realm of the law. If you read the entire published information on that story, you'll see that it involves RPGs, nuclear, weaponized chemical, and other similar weapons...basically what is illegal to own. It doesn't point to legal full autos, semi auto rifles and pistols, revolvers or shotguns...someone on that thread said that there's not enough blue hat wearing people to handle the amount of weapons in this country. Hell...our own government can't control it, what makes anyone think that the UN can?

Like I said...people shouldn't be posting BS from weblogs unless they understand that what is being said is generally not true, and twisted from just a few uttered words.

Moral indignation from the right.....that's a surprise! (never mind name calling).


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