This gets better and better by the day....

NSA Officers Spy on Love Interests - Washington Wire - WSJ

it had to happen................

...once a year over the last 10 years.....I'd say that is a pretty good record.

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Not really -- the fact that NSA employees even have the ability to do so speaks volumes to the case for limiting data collection.

Unless the report is wrong and there is more than a handful of such cases, I'm not worried. Why? Because there will always be abuse of govt resources all the way from you using the company phone for non business purposes to me using the company car to "run an errand", etc, etc. You can talk about Scissorsgate and call it the same or you can talk about an incident where I might have used the company laptop for "non-approved purposes". Still abuse.

So the question is whether there are a few cases where we have to do something to make sure it doesn't happen as much in future or whether it is per hour occurrence. Either is bad. So do we need to pull down the house to get rid of one spider?

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A handful of cases have been made public. This is illustrative why the government simply should not have access to this data without a specific and narrow warrant.

Stalking one day, blackmail or worse the next.

Want security? GTFO the Middle East, throw terrorist/extremist states like Saudi and Israel under the bus. First rule of security is to STOP MAKING ENEMIES.

Now you know how Obama took out Petraeus.

How you like our Stasi now?

If you have to have perfection, sure.

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Yes and so what? Not saying you shouldn't investigate to see if it is a handful and punish the hell out of them for abusing resources.

Where are you going with that? Maybe world domination?

Good luck with that. Perhaps banks shouldn't have security either.

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Security shouldn't violate the Constitution. If a bank proposed to search all customers entering it, I'd bet it wouldn't be OK either.

THAT is for the court to decide as to whether it was within the rules or not. "I don't like it" or "I don't think it is legal" isn't a deciding factor.

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And Snowden the national hero (I mean that with no sarcasm or humor) has opened up the door for a lot of people and organizations seek an injunction in a public court AND have standing to do so. Every day, more dirt comes out; seems like he's spawned a spate of smaller, more focused leakers.

Hope he'll have a chance to return home to a parade down 5th Avenue in 10 years after America comes to its senses.

BTW - how come you're OK with this, but freak out about public health care/insurance and the power THAT gives government? Hypocrite much, or are you just arguing to argue?

Never said I was sure with the legality of it. As I said, legality is for a court to decide. What looks illegal to you or I might not be so in a court when the arguments are presented. If you can point out a recent ruling of the SCOTUS, I will agree it is illegal. Till then, like it or not, it is the law. I don't agree with bankruptcy laws either but what they are doing is legal regardless of my opinion of what should be.

I have often agreed that the government that governs LEAST is best. I believe a government should be there to keep order not try to create a paradise on earth.

As to hypocrisy well, as I said, you have shown you want big government for your "necessary" projects. I don't really want them to do me any favors because I can't afford it.

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If we leave them alone they'll leave us alone? ....didn't know you were a Libertarian.

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Pretty Libertarian as far as foreign policy and socially, more of a liberal in some aspects of economic policy. Of course, since public health insurance would help most businesses in the long run, maybe I'm really just a closet Conservative