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Old 09-14-2013, 09:05 AM
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Predicting the President's next move in Syria

...is a very risky business, but let me try some general thoughts.
Some call the President "indecisive". I disagree. I have called many of his actions "amateurish". That, too may not be the right word, although I think it still applies, but is more a result than a cause.
I think the better word that describes his approach to almost everything is "Impulsive". That is not necessarily a "bad" word, but I think it tells much of his character.

Consider---
The Beer Summit---the result of a Presidential comment, made in haste, before he had all the facts available.
My son would look like Tevon---another comment by the President made hastily, before all the facts were known ( if they can ever be all known).
The Red line--an emotional response to the use of poison gas on civilians, and not a bad personal response for anyone--for anyone who is not President, and C in C of the US Military.

All three of these were impetuous responses, one might even say emotional responses. All of them show a care and concern for perceived injustices.

However, when the person making these responses is the one person whose comments really matter, the one person whose every word should display calm deliberation, they are not what the President should say.

How does this project into future actions in Syria, or elsewhere? Well, is it more likely that he will change this pattern of behavior, or continue in it? Add into your evaluation how much this President needs approval, craves to be well thought of.
I can't predict his next move, but I would bet it is yet another impetuous, emotional one.

What do you think?

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Old 09-14-2013, 05:49 PM
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...is a very risky business, but let me try some general thoughts.
Some call the President "indecisive". I disagree. I have called many of his actions "amateurish". That, too may not be the right word, although I think it still applies, but is more a result than a cause.
I think the better word that describes his approach to almost everything is "Impulsive". That is not necessarily a "bad" word, but I think it tells much of his character.

Consider---
The Beer Summit---the result of a Presidential comment, made in haste, before he had all the facts available.
My son would look like Tevon---another comment by the President made hastily, before all the facts were known ( if they can ever be all known).
The Red line--an emotional response to the use of poison gas on civilians, and not a bad personal response for anyone--for anyone who is not President, and C in C of the US Military.

All three of these were impetuous responses, one might even say emotional responses. All of them show a care and concern for perceived injustices.

However, when the person making these responses is the one person whose comments really matter, the one person whose every word should display calm deliberation, they are not what the President should say.

How does this project into future actions in Syria, or elsewhere? Well, is it more likely that he will change this pattern of behavior, or continue in it? Add into your evaluation how much this President needs approval, craves to be well thought of.
I can't predict his next move, but I would bet it is yet another impetuous, emotional one.

What do you think?
I think that this is another troll thread authored by an intensely partisan individual who has a penchant for affecting a veneer of impartiality.
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:52 PM
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I think that this is another troll thread authored by an intensely partisan individual who has a penchant for affecting a veneer of impartiality.
I agree and would say that he is far from impulsive. If you care to read the Bob Woodward book "Obama's Wars" (Which I thought was a poor title) you would see that he is more likely to err on the side of being too careful in making decisions.
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I agree and would say that he is far from impulsive. If you care to read the Bob Woodward book "Obama's Wars" (Which I thought was a poor title) you would see that he is more likely to err on the side of being too careful in making decisions.
So he's not impulsive, but a pantywaist paralyzed by indecision.
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Old 09-14-2013, 06:50 PM
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...is a very risky business, but let me try some general thoughts.
Some call the President "indecisive". I disagree. I have called many of his actions "amateurish". That, too may not be the right word, although I think it still applies, but is more a result than a cause.
I think the better word that describes his approach to almost everything is "Impulsive". That is not necessarily a "bad" word, but I think it tells much of his character.

Consider---
The Beer Summit---the result of a Presidential comment, made in haste, before he had all the facts available.
My son would look like Tevon---another comment by the President made hastily, before all the facts were known ( if they can ever be all known).
The Red line--an emotional response to the use of poison gas on civilians, and not a bad personal response for anyone--for anyone who is not President, and C in C of the US Military.

All three of these were impetuous responses, one might even say emotional responses. All of them show a care and concern for perceived injustices.

However, when the person making these responses is the one person whose comments really matter, the one person whose every word should display calm deliberation, they are not what the President should say.

How does this project into future actions in Syria, or elsewhere? Well, is it more likely that he will change this pattern of behavior, or continue in it? Add into your evaluation how much this President needs approval, craves to be well thought of.
I can't predict his next move, but I would bet it is yet another impetuous, emotional one.

What do you think?
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I think that this is another troll thread authored by an intensely partisan individual who has a penchant for affecting a veneer of impartiality.

X2

The aforementioned veneer is cloaked in sanctimony...
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:21 PM
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Liberals are so very accepting---of only their own view points--ans so hateful toward any other.
You don't think the three examples were examples of rash impulsiveness?
Really?
OK, then
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:45 PM
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Liberals are so very accepting---of only their own view points--ans so hateful toward any other.
You don't think the three examples were examples of rash impulsiveness?
Really?
OK, then
Condemned for being impulsive - Condemned for being deliberative - poor man can't do anything right.

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Old 09-14-2013, 08:14 PM
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Step one: Attack the messenger.
Step two: Bury the point.
Step three: Ignore any attempts at a refocus.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:23 PM
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I tuned in the BBC today and the news folks there were discussing this. The general consensus was that Obama has known what he was doing every step of the way and played this whole thing like a fiddle.

There were a few commentators that thought Obama had done everything wrong, but they were unable to explain how everything Obama had wanted had come to pass except that it was all just falling into place by accident.

One commentator pointed out that Obama put Syria on edge by bring the weapons so close to being used and then tossed it all to Congress where it was a done deal that the Republicans would do all they could to reverse anything Obama suggested. So Obama used the Republicans to give Assad the impression that Assad had a way out if he wanted to take it. Right now it appears Assad has done just that.

(For your reading pleasure: Sun Tzu's The Art of War. It points out that the best way to win a battle is to make your enemy give up by giving them a way to do so.)

I know that many Conservatives would love to see a few American ships sunk so they could dance around and sing about how dumb Obama is, but much to their disappointment Assad is giving up his chemical weapons without any loss of American lives.

(Now would be a good time for someone to chime in about how dumb I am for thinking Assad is really going to do anything of the sort, but that be ignoring the fact that the new leader of the Republican Party, Vlad Putin, has said he is supporting this deal and will make it go through.)

This must be tough times for Conservatives, but they will soon find something else to whine about. They always do.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:32 PM
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I tuned in the BBC today and the news folks there were discussing this. The general consensus was that Obama has known what he was doing every step of the way and played this whole thing like a fiddle.

There were a few commentators that thought Obama had done everything wrong, but they were unable to explain how everything Obama had wanted had come to pass except that it was all just falling into place by accident.

One commentator pointed out that Obama put Syria on edge by bring the weapons so close to being used and then tossed it all to Congress where it was a done deal that the Republicans would do all they could to reverse anything Obama suggested. So Obama used the Republicans to give Assad the impression that Assad had a way out if he wanted to take it. Right now it appears Assad has done just that.

(For your reading pleasure: Sun Tzu's The Art of War. It points out that the best way to win a battle is to make your enemy give up by giving them a way to do so.)

I know that many Conservatives would love to see a few American ships sunk so they could dance around and sing about how dumb Obama is
, but much to their disappointment Assad is giving up his chemical weapons without any loss of American lives.

(Now would be a good time for someone to chime in about how dumb I am for thinking Assad is really going to do anything of the sort, but that be ignoring the fact that the new leader of the Republican Party, Vlad Putin, has said he is supporting this deal and will make it go through.)

This must be tough times for Conservatives, but they will soon find something else to whine about. They always do.
That statement is inflammatory and incorrect.

As for the rest of the statement, Obama has made no such "planning" unless you have proof. Red line threats that backfire and then hiding behind congress is not a plan no matter how far it is stretched. Putin sees a weakness in Obama and is exploiting it.
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Really depends if you think he was shrewd or just lucky. Personally, I have no f--king clue.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:48 PM
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Step one: Attack the messenger.
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Step one: Mock the troll.

Step two: Mock the troll.

Step three: Mock the troll.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:55 PM
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That statement is inflammatory and incorrect.

As for the rest of the statement, Obama has made no such "planning" unless you have proof. Red line threats that backfire and then hiding behind congress is not a plan no matter how far it is stretched. Putin sees a weakness in Obama and is exploiting it.
Statement is 100% on point. MS's friends are all about party before country. If it took a passenger jet airliner crashing into the White House to force Obama out of office, they would publicly decry the action with one face and giggle like little schoolgirls with their other face.

Party before country is the new conservative battle cry, particularly around here. Couldn't be less patriotic if they tried...
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:56 PM
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If Obama's purpose was to reduce the power and prestige of the US, then he has, indeed, accomplished everything he desired.
Russia and Iran are now the powers in ascendancy in the Middle East--Mission accomplished.

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