My cousin was with LAPD for almost 40 years and was told by higher-ups that he had reached the highest rank a white guy could reach. Let's just say he had a star or two as his insignia of rank. His advice was to roll down the driver's side window and put both hands on the top of the rolled down window or stick them outside the window spread so that the cop can see you have no weapon.

Be sure to tell the cop that this is what your brother who is a law enforcement officer in some other state told you to do. My cousin became my brother several times with great success.

"Officer, I hope I didn't make you think I have been previously arrested by placing my hands outside the car. My brother who is a captain (downplayed) in the Los Angeles PD told me if I ever get pulled over to make the officer sure he is in no danger."

This turns the conversation from "Do you know why I pulled you over? to "What does your brother do?" The conversation ends up with "I'll let you go with a warning. Take it easy and keep the speed down."

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1987 MR2
2015 Camry
2015 Chevy Spark
2006 Hyundai Tucson

Glazed, to match their minds

Two weeks ago, I got "nailed" while passing a semi-dumper at MM5 on I-90...right at a median turnaround...I was watching the butt-end of the dumper, gassing it to about 77-78mph, when I saw his car (at dusk, no less)...

As I passed his location, I saw the headlights going on (CHIT!CHIT!CHIT!) and so...I just let off the gas, let the stone-slinging SOB dumper back in front...then I just dropped back about +10 car lengths to wait for the inevitable to happen.

And it did...about 1000' before the MM10 ChickenCoop.

Since I was packing, before he even got out of his cruiser, I had my CC-Permit and DL in between my index and middle fingers of the right hand and both hands were 10/2 on the wheel...and I managed to get the passenger window down 'cause that's the side they approach when they're dancing on the stones of death.

He came up and said "You sorta' lost your nerve back there, didn't you?"

As I handed him both pieces of ID with my right hand and THEN returning my hand to the 2 O'clck position on the wheel, I laughed and said "I saw you when you hit your headlights and just said to myself 'Mark, you stupid, stupid idiot.' I figured you were either going to get me, or him (the dumpster), or both of us so I just figured to make life easier for you, I'll be the first one tagged if you're going to take us both. Oh, BTW, my pistol is on my right hip and there are two in the back seat locked in cases. Do you need me to do anything for your safety and piece of mind?"

He chuckled a little and said "If you're not going to make any sudden moves, you're fine."

I assured him that I'd stay this way until he's done with me. He said "No problem" and headed back to his cruiser.

About 7 or 8 minutes later, he came back, chatted about where I lived and then got into a 5-minute discussion about how his Supervisor used to live just up the street from me about 5 years ago and we even talked about which place was mine.

Interestingly enough, this particular Trooper was involved in a heroin-bust a year or two ago where the paper printed my address instead of the real address (they put a '6' in place of the '8').

Anyhoo...we chatted about my address, the drug-bust address and his boss' old address and then...he hands me the "warning" (I was doing 12+ over in a 65) and mentioned to "...take it easy."

After I got out of there...the fun began...

I noticed on a frontage road (it loops back on the 'I') that I had to travel that he had another vehicle pulled over and it had "furin' plates" on it. I thought "Poor sucker. He's the one to get a ticket when I've been let loose because of good manners."

THEN, I read my "warning" when I got to my stop...

Right vehicle...but some "chick" from Illinois as the driver????

All of HER information on my sheet?

I called the State Patrol station in Tomah (they handle our particular area) and let the dispatch know that the confuser in the officer's cruiser is on the fritz. He said that, believe it or not, (low-bidder issues) this thing happens quite a bit. He'd let the Trooper know he's "out of sync" (if he hadn't noticed already) and that the Trooper would get back to me to make sure the paperwork gets straightened out.

Well, it did. Now, I just have to get ahold of my "friend" in La Crosse and have him run me on his machine to be sure I'm not on La Crosse County's Most Wanted.

BTW, I did get the proper paperwork, in the mail, about 3 days later. All is right with the world...so far.

Now...about that leaded foot....

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Both of the ones i use were made by Whistler and have been obnoxiously reliable both regarding their ability to detect the type and strength of the signals used, and also how long they've lasted.

The one problem with any radar detector is that there are false positives that can come from a variety of sources such as automatic door openers. Due to that one must learn their behavior to some degree and also where the false positives typically occur along usual routes. After a while I’ve learned a sense of when something is probably not coming from a LEO. Both of mine have city and hiway settings; the city setting quiets most false readings. Anywho, mine have never failed to let me know when there is radar or laser pointing at me. Or at least I haven’t gotten a ticket without having one sing like a bird in advance of that.

As noted above I’ve read the Valentine brand represents the ongoing state of the art in this technology but I’m too thrifty to spend for one.

In my case it's ********* judges as well as cops. Everybody around here knows me and knows my vehicles. I manage to "forget" to renew my tags pretty much on an annual basis. I don't know how many times I've driven directly in front of a sheriff and not been stopped.
This past spring I sent my kid to town in my pickup to get a load of feed. Coming home he got nailed by a sheriff and written a ticket. He came home cussing me for not renewing my tags. I told him calm down it's not a moving violation and I'll take care of it. Of course you were stopped, you're a brown kid. It was a 109 dollar fine.
So I got new tags and registration and went into the courthouse in town to pay the fine. Woman at the window wouldn't take my money. It has to be paid by the person who got the fine, she says. I said but it's my truck and my fault, he didn't know the tags were expired, besides he's back in school out of town and can't pay the fine. The tags are current now, can't we just settle up and be done with this? She goes and asks the judge and he says absolutely not. I left mad and forgot about it.
A few weeks later sonny gets a letter in the mail from the court. Oops. I figured it was a bench warrant notification or something. It said that he had been put into the FARE program, which is a state fine recovery system where they tack on a bunch more fees and give you an absolute date to pay or they issue a warrant. The notice conveniently informs him that he can pay online. So I logged on and paid the fine with MY credit card in MY name, something I'd tried to do a month before.
A complete scam. The fine doubled. Hopefully I won't end up in that judge's court for anything, I called and gave him an earful.

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I tend to try to avoid LEO. They enjoy writing BS tickets.

In my area their favorite sport is writing tickets at the boat ramp for parking in trailer spots with no trailer. Now during the season that's perfectly legit but they only enforce it off season like now. The entire ramp will be empty and one car will be sitting their with a $70 ticket on its window.

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2007 Tiara 3200

I think it was West Haven or New Haven but a group of white cops successfully sued the city and even got about 10 years of back pay. A group took a promotion test but the higher ups said they are only promoting black cops so they did and told the white guys to shove it.

The kicker is, if it was reversed the media would have been all over it and the higher ups would have been forced to leave. I don't think anyone lost their job and it was a back page story.

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The local cops are under the Mayor who is a very intelligent person in his third term, destined likely to be a four or five term mayor. I have not observed any foolish behaviour by the cops as you describehere in Lafayette.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Thank you for the update concerning the Whistler detector. It appears to me this is going the way of a war of electronics. They have their radar, X,Y, LIDAR, whatever so we have to man up and acquire counter measures. I'm also looking into teen tracker type devices that will document the speed the car is traveling.

There is a speeding ticket case in California involving a teenager who was ticketed for speeding. Only one problem, his GPS teen tracker system says he was traveling UNDER the posted speed limit. The local newspaper is calling it "the war of technologies". The cops are spending $15K trying to prove up their obviously weak case which tells me it isn't about making us "safe" it is about proving they are right so they can collect more $$$$$$ from us.

If you want to travel at +20 as compared to the limit, I'm really pleased if the local municipalities extract hundreds of dollars from your wallet.

I travel at +10 for all driving at our 55 mph limit and I travel at 65-70 mph in the local CT 65 mph zones.

The difference in trip time as compared to an average of +15 (difficult to maintain in traffic) is about two minutes in the overall trip time (one hour typically).

What did you do with the two minutes that you saved?

The average person is a moron and the average person attempts to drive in excess of the current traffic conditions for reasons that they cannot even elucidate in a coherent fashion.

I used to work inner city Chicago, drug dealers on the corners day and night when it's -10 f no po-po. You just need to stand in line at the doughnut shop, and greasy spoon because they must think that is where the problems start.

There exists more than a few jurisdictions where traveling +10 will invoke the wallet vacuum to suck you dry. Speeding is speeding.

Are you saying +10 violation of the posted speed limit is righteous but +20 is not righteous and that +20 speeders are "unsafe/insane" while +10 speeders are perfectly "safe/sane"??

Righteousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"sane (sn)adj. san·er, san·est 1. Of sound mind; mentally healthy: "their protector, the strongest and sanest of them all" (Pat Conroy).
2. Having or showing sound judgment; reasonable."

from the free dictionary at:

sane - definition of sane by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Really depends when and where -- for example, the speed limit on the Driscoll Bridge on the Garden State Parkway is 45 mph, and if you actually do less than 65 mph, you'd probably get rear-ended and run down. There are plenty of speed limits in the US which are 20 mph less than they should be.

Sadly, that is exactly what it has become.

A situation whereby the actual "limit" is an unsafe speed to drive on most limited access highways due to the lack of any enforcement of the actual "limit".

I have observed for the majority of situations that +10 in a 55 limit and +5 in a 65 limit are speeds that are perfectly safe and reasonably for most conditions (daylight and no rain) and that is is ALMOST impossible to be tagged for those speeds.

Therefore, I proclaim these speeds as righteous for the simple reasons that the speeds are safe, generally move with the speed of the traffic (left lane excluded) and generally will never result in a ticket.

You wish to argue what is righteous and what isn't? Have at it. I'm not interested. Like I said, +20 deserves a walletectomy.

I don't concern myself with the general proclamation of gloom whereby I will be "run down". Plenty of vehicles travel considerably slower in the right lane and I do not see them "run down" and lying in pieces on the side of the roadway.

I would not do 65 mph over the Driscoll Bridge. I might do 55 mph and let the morons fly by in the left lane and be ticketed.