Tax payer money for illegals or for vetrans?

[MTUpower]

Democrats choose illegals... How quaint. Does this concern you? Why or why not?



Specifically the Internal Revenue Service watchdog found that unauthorized individuals received $4.2 billion refundable credits in Processing Year 2010.


lol I mispelled veterans in the title. What's a ve-tran?

[greazzer]

It simply shows a few things. One, our national priorities. Second, it shows what group or groups make a better voting base. Those who turn out in greater numbers get the politician who will most likely protect their interest. Now, I am sure those certain forum members who are more left leaning then myself will point out that those illegal’s don't vote. It's illegal, of course. Well, not so fast. The extended family, who can legally vote, does and they vote for the politician who promises the most gifts to them and their family members. Second, because the current regime has directed our illustrious DoJ to litigate the "no-show ID to vote program", I wonder how many "illegals" actually end up voting anyways. Service members have traditionally been seen as conservative in view and those conservative votes are not faring well right now with the social progressive agenda. Further, get real. There's no union pushing its agenda for our troops and veterans. Maybe congress should allocate some taxpayer dollars to bring back ACORN and they can organize and advocate for our veterans. Also, as I indicated in a prior post, there is only so much money to go around. Congress and our chief executive are distributing and redistributing money, wealth and benefits. Why in the world would anyone be outraged over this? Shouldn’t someone who simply has their hand out for an entitlement get a share of the pie versus someone who really earned it? Assuming illegals and others are getting an entitlement because they are citizens (or not citizens) simply because they exist and vote seems to outweigh those who put their life on the line.

[Air&Road]

Democrats preferring people that broke the law vs. people that honorably served and are simply getting what they signed up for?

Is there ANYONE surprised by this?

[greazzer]

Originally Posted by Air&Road

Democrats preferring people that broke the law vs. people that honorably served and are simply getting what they signed up for?

Is there ANYONE surprised by this?

When I heard it "officially", I expected as little from congress. No comment from our chief executive, which I find odd. He certainly was on the pep rally tour for every single little deal he was pushing or fighting for or when congress did something he did not like. Let's see what's next.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by Air&Road

Democrats preferring people that broke the law vs. people that honorably served and are simply getting what they signed up for?

Is there ANYONE surprised by this?

Republicans exploiting veterans so that they can score cheap political points?

Is there ANYONE surprised by this?

[Air&Road]

Oh, it was the REPUBLICANS that originally proposed taking away the veterans benefits? Yeah, thanks for clearing this up.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by Honus

Republicans exploiting veterans so that they can score cheap political points?

Is there ANYONE surprised by this?

Exactly.

Although the veterans and active service men and women tend to vote R when the R's have a chance they always screw over the vets any how (along with anybody not rich or powerful).

[Honus]

Originally Posted by Air&Road

Oh, it was the REPUBLICANS that originally proposed taking away the veterans benefits?

I believe that is correct. A friend of mine who has worked on the GOP side of Congress for 30 years says that their reason for this part of the bill is that everyone, including veterans, should share in the sacrifices needed to get our fiscal house in order. She also said that any Republicans who are unable to go home and stand up to the heat that will come from their support for this modest reduction in future benefits need to admit that they lack the backbone to ever do anything about the nation's debt.

Yeah, thanks for clearing this up.

If you don't think Sessions is grandstanding with this, then we just have a different view of the world. Why, for example, doesn't he go after estate tax loopholes if he wants to find money to restore veterans benefits to their previous levels? That's where the money is.

[sloride]

I believe it still needs one more signature or has it been signed. i wonder if the excuse will be that it had to be signed to find out what was in it.

[greazzer]

What I am hearing is utterly disgraceful. Even suggesting that a veteran or a disabled veteran needs to step up to the plate and make his "fair share" of sacrafices to help out the country is shameless. It is being suggested that the "average" veteran will lose around $70K-$80K. New budget deal could cost military vets $80,000 in retirement pay | WTKR.com I suggest that a veteran has already made his fair share of sacrifices by his service. Plus, a deal is a deal.

How about the illegals making their fair share of sacrafices? Most folks who study this issue indicate illegals don't pay taxes and they get a heaping helping of social benefits. Maybe they should start sending in a check every month to the US Treasury. That sounds fair to me.

How about the folks on perpetual, generational welfare? Should they step up to the plate and donate $70-$80K over the next 20 years? Other than an entitlement, what did they kick in again?

And, the list goes on and on and on ...

I hope the folks who voted for this budget deal get voted out of office. I hope someone posts their names and pictures and makes it a point to make sure no one ever forgets. I will see if our illustrious Palmetto state congress folks voted for this or not.

What a nation !

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by greazzer

What I am hearing is utterly disgraceful. Even suggesting that a veteran or a disabled veteran needs to step up to the plate and make his "fair share" of sacrafices to help out the country is shameless. It is being suggested that the "average" veteran will lose around $70K-$80K. New budget deal could cost military vets $80,000 in retirement pay | WTKR.com I suggest that a veteran has already made his fair share of sacrifices by his service. Plus, a deal is a deal.

How about the illegals making their fair share of sacrafices? Most folks who study this issue indicate illegals don't pay taxes and they get a heaping helping of social benefits. Maybe they should start sending in a check every month to the US Treasury. That sounds fair to me.

How about the folks on perpetual, generational welfare? Should they step up to the plate and donate $70-$80K over the next 20 years? Other than an entitlement, what did they kick in again?

And, the list goes on and on and on ...

I hope the folks who voted for this budget deal get voted out of office. I hope someone posts their names and pictures and makes it a point to make sure no one ever forgets. I will see if our illustrious Palmetto state congress folks voted for this or not.

What a nation !

Studies I have seen suggest that illegals pay more into taxes than they get out, thereby helping reduce the deficit.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Honus

I believe that is correct. A friend of mine who has worked on the GOP side of Congress for 30 years says that their reason for this part of the bill is that everyone, including veterans, should share in the sacrifices needed to get our fiscal house in order. She also said that any Republicans who are unable to go home and stand up to the heat that will come from their support for this modest reduction in future benefits need to admit that they lack the backbone to ever do anything about the nation's debt.If you don't think Sessions is grandstanding with this, then we just have a different view of the world. Why, for example, doesn't he go after estate tax loopholes if he wants to find money to restore veterans benefits to their previous levels? That's where the money is.

Very simple, double taxation. Estate tax, taxes money and assets for which taxes have already been paid.

Of course, in today's world of the news media villifying those who have worked and accumulated a little bit of something, that plays well with the ignorant among the masses.

[greazzer]

Really Tom ... read closer those "studies" since numbers are based upon paying into the system and not being able to collect SS since they are illegal. However, the studies further show that most illegals are paid under the table and they also collect their fair share of social handouts. Pick a skewed basis to evaluate the data, and you will get a skewed result. Pay into SS but don't get a check when you get old, of course your paying "more" in taxes. Calculate those under the table ... if that is possible ... and those studies turn into mush.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration estimates that unauthorized immigrants received $4.2 billion in child tax credits in 2010. and, the list goes on.

Now, I will say this. If Americans really wanted to get rid of the illegal problem in this country, then pay produce pickers and manual laborers a higher rate and entice the unemployeed to work in the fields and construction and the sweat shops. But wait ... why do that ... one can milk the system and make an OK living sitting on their butt and collecting a check. Sounds like a neat little system we created. So, the higher than minimum wage deal falls thru the cracks since why would someone work when you can eat pretty good for free, get a free cell phone, get free health care, get a free or highly subsidized house, get free child care, free bus tickets, and whatever else you can get free.

BUT, and here's the BUT .... let's make our veterans and disabled veterans help pay for this. I guess some folks like that idea.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by greazzer

What I am hearing is utterly disgraceful. Even suggesting that a veteran or a disabled veteran needs to step up to the plate and make his "fair share" of sacrafices to help out the country is shameless. It is being suggested that the "average" veteran will lose around $70K-$80K. New budget deal could cost military vets $80,000 in retirement pay | WTKR.com I suggest that a veteran has already made his fair share of sacrifices by his service. Plus, a deal is a deal.

How about the illegals making their fair share of sacrafices? Most folks who study this issue indicate illegals don't pay taxes and they get a heaping helping of social benefits. Maybe they should start sending in a check every month to the US Treasury. That sounds fair to me.

How about the folks on perpetual, generational welfare? Should they step up to the plate and donate $70-$80K over the next 20 years? Other than an entitlement, what did they kick in again?

And, the list goes on and on and on ...

I hope the folks who voted for this budget deal get voted out of office. I hope someone posts their names and pictures and makes it a point to make sure no one ever forgets. I will see if our illustrious Palmetto state congress folks voted for this or not.

What a nation !

What's more, illegal aliens are criminals by definition. It seems that in today's Washington, criminals gain more respect than veterans.

This should not surprise anyone, given the sad state of decadence in today's USA.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Studies I have seen suggest that illegals pay more into taxes than they get out, thereby helping reduce the deficit.

Yeah, so that justifies encouraging criminals. To some people money is much more important than living without violating the law.