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Air&Road 03-30-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 3309359)
That's a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.

This has always been puzzling to me. Anyone who believes that our elections are 100% or even 99% legit is not facing reality.

I want them to be as close to 100% as possible. That goal can not be met without proper identification.

Botnst 03-30-2014 08:20 PM

67.35% of Internet statistics are 85.91% wrong 93.22% of the time and the rest are invented out of thin air to make a point unsupported by evidence.

Honus 03-30-2014 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3309389)
... Anyone who believes that our elections are 100% or even 99% legit is not facing reality.

I want them to be as close to 100% as possible. That goal can not be met without proper identification.

I agree with every word.

The evidence, it seems to me, suggests that the new, GOP-style voter ID laws diminish the integrity of elections because for every fraudulent vote these laws prevent, they exclude more than one otherwise eligible voter.

For example: Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice

Botnst 03-30-2014 08:42 PM

Well guess what, Cheez-Whiz, it ain't you who believes the system has a systemic problem and it aint' you who needs convincing.

Instead of criticizing like a eunuch in a harem, why not advance a solution that addresses the paranoid schizophrenics who deludedly believe there might be a problem while not placing an undue burden on qualified voters?

cmbdiesel 03-30-2014 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3309330)
Show you a measure? The measure has been all over the news for several years. The legitimacy improvement involves showing positive identification when voting. You don't have to make a lot of money to have personal identification.

So far, all I've seen is thinly veiled attempts to weaken the other side, nothing that truly attempts to aid in legitimacy.
The dems are showing very poor strategy by not taking up the mantle of voter id in a manner which would not hurt their side as badly as what has been offered up so far.
The idea of voter ID polls well, so one would think they would have someone on it..

Anyone find it interesting that the states covered by section 5 of the Voter's Rights Act have almost all passed new and highly restrictive voting laws?

MS Fowler 03-30-2014 09:07 PM

My experience is vastly different from many of you. I live in MARYLAND, a one-party, democrat controlled state. Here, even asking for voter ID is illegal.
Can any of you support this? I certainly can't.
OTOH, in one-party control repub states, I can see they are trying to gain permanent control, the same way the dems have done it here. Both are wrong.

cmbdiesel 03-30-2014 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3309334)
If you admit there might be a problem, why would you delay fixing it?

Maybe because 'the cure' is worse than the ailment....

INSIDIOUS 03-30-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3309336)
Clearly it doesn't or it would have been.

Nice to see it finally getting some attention.

For a viable, trusted election there must be a balance between security and availability.

I'm all for proper ID and purple finger. Would love to go around with a purple finger like a Christian with lenten ashes. I recognize that's not for everybody.

If you want me and my ilk to have faith in an election then you have to provide me and my ilk with some assurances that only eligible voters, vote.

Why is that a problem?

I dunno.

But some people believe the world is flat, the check is in the mail, and only qualified voters, vote.

Can you list for us the most major incidents involving state or federal elections which were encumbered by voter fraud? I so much don't want to become 'some people'.

INSIDIOUS 03-30-2014 09:20 PM

Got me on ignore?
 
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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3309229)
I would like to know more about that. Early voting is one of the few tools we have to encourage people to vote. Taking it away in areas where it is provided is insanity IMHO.

You prolly missed this: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/352876-work-lot-hours-you-shouldnt-allowed-vote.html

INSIDIOUS 03-30-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3309311)
Its been a problem for a long time, lots of dead people and pets vote...multiple times...

Seems we need more dead peeps and pets :P

Dudesky 03-30-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3309284)



You need a GOP intervention.......:D

Air&Road 03-30-2014 09:32 PM

Many elections are VERY close. It could come down to ONE vote being the deciding vote. There have been incidents such as the lady in Ohio that voted For Obama I think it was 14 times and was convicted. If you recall Ohio was very close and she was one that was caught. Since there was no adequate voter ID law, how many were not caught. For all we know, there were even more that fraudulently voted for Romney.

Anyone who thinks that our elections are adequately legitimate are either buying in on their favorite party/politician BS, or they are not facing reality.

I am good with the winner of a fair election whoever they might be IF I can believe that they were chosen through a legitimate election process. Without an absolutely legitimate election process, democracy is a sham.

Today you have to have proper ID for everything from getting a drivers license to picking up food stamps, WHY do some folks consider it a burden to require ID at the polls?

Dudesky 03-30-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 3309292)
How does excluding people with the right to vote promote the legitimacy of elections?


I've been the victim of a DNC misinformation campaign by high ranking Democrats...........my apologies.

Air&Road 03-30-2014 09:35 PM

More are voting than registered? Hmm.... You think there might be a problem in that area?

Botnst 03-30-2014 09:40 PM

Maybe that's just in New Orleans.


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