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Air&Road · #61 03-30-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Maybe that's just in New Orleans.

Okay Bot, we heard that admission! So how many times did you vote?

Honus · #62 03-30-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Well guess what, Cheez-Whiz, it ain't you who believes the system has a systemic problem and it aint' you who needs convincing.

Instead of criticizing like a eunuch in a harem, why not advance a solution that addresses the paranoid schizophrenics who deludedly believe there might be a problem while not placing an undue burden on qualified voters?

Since I am the only one to offer any actual facts with which people can try to educate themselves about the issue, I am the only one here who has attempted to advance a solution. How about yourself? What sort of solutions are you offering? Do you have any facts to refute the claims in the Brennan Center reports?

Air&Road · #63 03-30-2014, 09:50 PM

There is one school of thought that I don't agree with, which says that R's will win a lot of elections this fall. Although I don't believe this will happen, if it does, I wonder how long it will be before a hard lefter will be crying "voter fraud" regarding one or more of the elections?

Honus · #64 03-30-2014, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

My experience is vastly different from many of you. I live in MARYLAND, a one-party, democrat controlled state. Here, even asking for voter ID is illegal.
Can any of you support this? I certainly can't.
OTOH, in one-party control repub states, I can see they are trying to gain permanent control, the same way the dems have done it here. Both are wrong.

Maryland's law is insane.

Honus · #65 03-30-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Many elections are VERY close. It could come down to ONE vote being the deciding vote. There have been incidents such as the lady in Ohio that voted For Obama I think it was 14 times and was convicted. If you recall Ohio was very close and she was one that was caught. Since there was no adequate voter ID law, how many were not caught. For all we know, there were even more that fraudulently voted for Romney.

Anyone who thinks that our elections are adequately legitimate are either buying in on their favorite party/politician BS, or they are not facing reality.

I am good with the winner of a fair election whoever they might be IF I can believe that they were chosen through a legitimate election process. Without an absolutely legitimate election process, democracy is a sham.

Today you have to have proper ID for everything from getting a drivers license to picking up food stamps, WHY do some folks consider it a burden to require ID at the polls?

So, in your opinion, an election in which there might be fraudulent voters is somehow worse than an election in which eligible voters are turned away?

Honus · #66 03-30-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Looks as if more are voting than registered if you check with the FEC.

How does one explain that away?

How do we explain something for which you provide no link?

We don't.

INSIDIOUS · #67 03-30-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

There is one school of thought that I don't agree with, which says that R's will win a lot of elections this fall. Although I don't believe this will happen, if it does, I wonder how long it will be before a hard lefter will be crying "voter fraud" regarding one or more of the elections?

More speculation than this

cmbdiesel · #68 03-30-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

Since I am the only one to offer any actual facts with which people can try to educate themselves about the issue, I am the only one here who has attempted to advance a solution. How about yourself? What sort of solutions are you offering? Do you have any facts to refute the claims in the Brennan Center reports?

We've been down this rabbit hole before.

People will just not believe the numbers, and instead will choose to believe what they think is correct, despite all evidence to the contrary.

So, I have given up arguing the point, besides... if a majority of people want voter ID laws, then I guess voter ID laws are what we should have.

I would just like to see them written and incorporated in such a way as to minimize disenfranchising voters.

Dudesky · #69 03-30-2014, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

How do we explain something for which you provide no link?

We don't.

I've been the victim of a DNC misinformation campaign by high ranking Democrats...........my apologies.

Hatterasguy · #70 03-30-2014, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

My experience is vastly different from many of you. I live in MARYLAND, a one-party, democrat controlled state. Here, even asking for voter ID is illegal.
Can any of you support this? I certainly can't.
OTOH, in one-party control repub states, I can see they are trying to gain permanent control, the same way the dems have done it here. Both are wrong.

In CT they check my license and look me up on there list and cross me off by name and address.

Botnst · #71 03-31-2014, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

Since I am the only one to offer any actual facts with which people can try to educate themselves about the issue, I am the only one here who has attempted to advance a solution. How about yourself? What sort of solutions are you offering? Do you have any facts to refute the claims in the Brennan Center reports?

I want mommy to show me that she has put smoke alarms all over the house, not just a promise of one in the bathroom.

Botnst · #72 03-31-2014, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

In CT they check my license and look me up on there list and cross me off by name and address.

That's a menace to the voting franchise! How dare you impose such a restrictive measure! It's probably racist or sexist or something.

John Galt · #73 03-31-2014, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

In CT they check my license and look me up on there list and cross me off by name and address.

That's the way it should work. No ID to prove you're the registered voter on the list = no vote.

MS Fowler · #74 03-31-2014, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

Maryland's law is insane.

You think it might color my opinions on this issue?

Let me add this----Every attempt made to tighten the MD law which Honus called "insane", is met by the EXACT same arguments I see on here this thread. This leads me to believe that its a partisan party issue with democrats not wanting to ensure only legal citizens vote. Why else would they oppose every attempt to get it right?
Not saying that repubs wouldn't try the same thing if they thought it would be of benefit to them, but in this case its the dems who oppose any means to eliminate illegal voters. Can't we agree that one extreme is as wrong as the other?
If we can't agree on that, then there is no hope, EVERYTHING has become pure partisan politics.

MS Fowler · #75 03-31-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

So, in your opinion, an election in which there might be fraudulent voters is somehow worse than an election in which eligible voters are turned away?

Does it have to be either-or?
I think your statement is an over-statement of what anyone here wants.
I think most of us who think there is a problem with voter fraud would be just as outraged by the turning away of eligible voters.