That is true. Those same People don't understand Historically why the White People got a conscience and gave up their power over the other Races.
As an example if the rest of the "White" World had not turned against South Africa during the Apartheid times would South Africa have lost Power and caved in? Perhaps that is a better subject for another thread.

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What caused the Conscience of the so called White Races to change concerning Slavery?

You think it is a change in Conscience but at the same time Slavery outside of the USA before the Civil War had also become not very economically viable.

A change in Conscience or Economics or both?

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At time the above mentioned stuff was happening Slavery was not considered something to feel Guilty about.

Even up until Greek and Roman times if you Lost a War it was not uncommon for the losing Army to be sold off as Slaves and that included many of the People in the losing Country, City State and so on.

I don't know if Europeans in that time participated in Slavery in the same manner as the Greeks and the Romans as they did not have extensive Agriculture like the Romans and Greeks did.

Blacks more responsibly then you say for the selling of other Blacks as slaves. They had already been doing that for thousands of Years to the Middle East.
Also at that time for Whites to spend even a Month or so away from the Coast of Africa in the interior would likely have killed them from various Diseases as they Medical Science was just a glimmer.

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Probably economics. When you get richer you can have more egalitarian ideas

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Did you mean to say, "Would the Afrikaners have lost power and caved?" The members of the ANC that were fighting the Afrikaners were also citizens of the RSA.

Economics played a large role. Georgia outlawed slavery in the early 1800's. When it was discovered that rice would grow in Georgia but hulling it was expensive slavery was reintroduced. Georgia landowners could not grow and hull rice as cheaply as other states with slaves could.

Back to Bundy.....

There are now reports that Bundy supporters are setting up checkpoints and stopping everyone on a Federal Highway to see if they live in the area. Any one in the area that can shed any light on this story one way or the other?

Even if true, what's the big deal? They just want to preserve liberty and freedom for all.

There was such a case in my neck of the woods back in the late 1800's.

Strikers from a coal mine near here had blocked the road and the rail road and were not allowing the trains to pass. The US Marshal for this area sent a telegram to the US Attorney General and asked for troops to blast them all to kingdom come if they did not cease their blocking of the railroad since the US Mail could not pass through.

The Attorney General told him to let the strikers know they needed to disperse. If not troops would be sent and the strikers could deal with the troops. No one had the right to shut down ANY federal situation and the troops would understand what needed to be done.

The strikers, who were armed to the teeth, decided to continue their strike but the occupation of the railroad was over with-in the hour.

Sounds like the Government needs to do some blasting to show their ownership of the situation. Either that, or citizens need to stand up for their Rights on public land and do the blasting of the hijackers to their Rights.

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The Black People in the USA were also in theory Citizens. Even when there was still Slavery I think it was Virginia tried to get the Blacks who out numbered Whites in the Stated to be consider Citizens for the purpose of gaining (White) Representatives in the Government but certainly were not going to change their Slave Status.

OK did the Afrikaners cave in mainly from the pressure from other "White" Nations or from the Various fources they were Fighting; some of whom were Communist sponsered/supported?

The ANC and the other Factions that fought against the Afrikaners were not winning until the the other Nations cam out agaist the Afrikaners Policies.

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In past threads you are against the Police stopping People for no probable cause; a Private Citizen has zero rights to stop and question someone for any reason and No rights at all to stop Traffic on Federal, State or City Roadways.

Private Citizen can arrest and detain someone till the Police come if they are willing to face the Law Suit for false arrest if they are wrong.

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The problem is there is not much choice between Negotiation and Deadly Force.

An overwhelming Number of Officers with Riot Equipment is the closest in-between there is.
Bullet Proof Shields, Tear Gas or CS Gas, Rubber Bullets, Bean Bag Guns for long range. Tasers, Pepper Spray, Batons or those Human Cattle Prod type items at Close Range.
After that it is Deadly Force.

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C'mon man, this crap is repeated endlessly. Democrat today does not mean the same thing it did back then. It's been said a million times, Thurmond and others went Republican after LBJ moved to grant greater justice for blacks. This is not to say that Republicans are flaming racists, one and all, but it does mean to some degree that racism is broadly mixed up the two parties. I barely consider myself a Democrat, the Republican side doesn't attract me either. I respect most conservative principles but the hard right and the religious right give me a pain.

And yes I understand that slavery has been around for a long time. I could be wrong but could be Moses' account of the Jews enslaved in Egypt might be the first recorded example of it, certainly it's an old recorded example of it.

Bot put it well in post 732. The country was founded on principles of liberty and slavery was a serious slap in the face to that. The post civil war period was a shameful time. Past and present instances of slavery don't really cover for it. We are not those other people.

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Would be a bit ironic as many of them reportedly don't live in the area themselves.

Ran across this:

Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch - 8 News NOW

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