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Mölyapina 07-10-2014 07:46 PM

How to test ignition coils?
 
I'm experiencing what I think is a misfire in my Buick that's killing my gas mileage (~20 MPG, mostly highway :eek:). I feel it most definitely when the car is at a stop -- uneven and rough pulsing through the steering wheel -- and also sometimes smell a twinge of unburnt gas after highway rides (but not on local rides, even when they last at least as long as the highway ones).

I guess my first question is to ask if you guys agree with my misfire diagnosis or not and if you think the unburnt gas smell is related to the misfire or not.

My second question, assuming that you would agree that I have a misfire, is: How should I test the coils? I've already replaced the spark plugs and am just going to replace the plug wires, since they are 20 years old and NAPA wires are $35 for a set, but I'd like to try testing the coils so that I don't spend $100 buying three new coils when I am assuming I don't have to.

tbomachines 07-10-2014 07:48 PM

How to test ignition coils?
 
Obd2 should throw a code for a bad coil, but check the spark at each plug. If one of the could went it will misfire every 3 ignitions, since each one has 2 plugs correct ?


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tbomachines 07-10-2014 07:51 PM

Also which iteration of the engine is it? I know at least on the 2.8s they had fuel pump/pressure problems (had it go on my celebrity too). I'm not sure about the 3.1/3.4 which are essentially the same


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Mölyapina 07-10-2014 07:59 PM

Mine is a 1994 -- first year for the 3.1 L. It's OBD-I,and although there are ways to read OBD-I codes, I thought it would be more interesting to try to diagnose it myself.

tbomachines 07-10-2014 08:06 PM

Easy way to test the coils is to pull the plugs one by one and visually check the spark. You'll probably want to unplug the fuel pump or something so it doesn't start up on you, unless you're ok holding it while the engine misfires. Also if you do this make sure you are NOT the ground, those things kick. It's simple and crude but works.


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P.C. 07-10-2014 08:06 PM

Don't allow the misfire to persist for too long, as you might be sending some unburned fuel down the exhaust system and overheating the cat.

INSIDIOUS 07-10-2014 08:39 PM

A fuel leak would do those things for you as well.

tbomachines 07-10-2014 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3356557)
A fuel leak would do those things for you as well.


Yeah you would smell it though. Also the car would more likely misfire at higher rpm than low. I wouldn't count. Out the alternator either, at low rpms it might now be giving enough electricity. Jooseppi try turning on and off some accessories when the car is doing it, see if there is any difference. Might not be enough to illuminate the battery ought.


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MS Fowler 07-10-2014 09:06 PM

Pulling the wire off of each plug , in turn, of a running engine, :eek:is one way to check for spark

Mölyapina 07-10-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 3356542)
Easy way to test the coils is to pull the plugs one by one and visually check the spark. You'll probably want to unplug the fuel pump or something so it doesn't start up on you, unless you're ok holding it while the engine misfires. Also if you do this make sure you are NOT the ground, those things kick. It's simple and crude but works.

Hm, OK. How do I make sure I'm not the ground?
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Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 3356571)
I wouldn't count out the alternator either, at low rpms it might now be giving enough electricity. Jooseppi try turning on and off some accessories when the car is doing it, see if there is any difference. Might not be enough to illuminate the battery ought.

I can try that, but the alternator was replaced maybe 5,000 miles ago by the PO (since the car had been sitting for a good while), so I'd be surprised if it's that, since the battery/alt made it great through single-digit starts this past winter.
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3356578)
Pulling the wire off of each plug , in turn, of a running engine, :eek:is one way to check for spark

I did this many years ago when first screwing around with the engine on our lawnmower. YOW!

Mölyapina 07-10-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by P.C. (Post 3356543)
Don't allow the misfire to persist for too long, as you might be sending some unburned fuel down the exhaust system and overheating the cat.

Ooh, good point.

INSIDIOUS 07-10-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 3356571)
Yeah you would smell it though. Also the car would more likely misfire at higher rpm than low. I wouldn't count. Out the alternator either, at low rpms it might now be giving enough electricity. Jooseppi try turning on and off some accessories when the car is doing it, see if there is any difference. Might not be enough to illuminate the battery ought.


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Sure. Allow me to point you to the OP #1 to whit:
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sometimes smell a twinge of unburnt gas

INSIDIOUS 07-10-2014 09:36 PM

Don't be grounded to the vehicle and you are unshockable. As shocking as this may seem :D

tbomachines 07-10-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3356595)
Sure. Allow me to point you to the OP #1 to whit:


I interpreted that as cat smell


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Mölyapina 07-10-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3356597)
Don't be grounded to the vehicle and you are unshockable. As shocking as this may seem :D

Duh, makes sense.


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