saw this thing at the deutsche classic car show yesterday. What is this? owner didn't know anything about it, brought it to see if people had any info on it

air cooled motor

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Looks like an old Formula Vee car of some kind.

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Does he want to sell it?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Do you still have to have old log books to race in vintage racing? I would love to race vintage formula vee.

didnt really sound like it. he told me it was for sale if i wanted to offer "a stupid amount of money for it". direct quote. i assumed any offer anyone made would be too low for the guy. what are such things worth?

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That's awesome.

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I dunno.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Its a VW beetle platform, its got the complete beam axle at the front and the whole air shroud for the engine is there too.

Looks like an attempt to copy something.

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Given the last formula vee race I saw was like a 15 minute exhibition race at a vintage days weekend, everything mechanical looks overdue for replacement, and anything safety related is overdue for updating, AND if you were to part it out its really just old beetle parts, I think in that condition the answer is... Nearly nothing.

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how can you rig a vw air cooled engine and tranny combo to run backwards like that? ,can you just flip the transaxle over?

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Yep, they flip the transaxle.

What I understand of the class it was based on availability of parts long ago. Those parts are not junkyard prices anymore so formula vee costs as much to race as some other classes now.

A few years ago I could have bought a car, trailer and spares for about $3K.

Why don't peeps just start with structural aluminum and make something better?

Rules. Its called formula v because it is vw based for all the mechanicals. It is hugely popular and because there is a huge following for the old air cooled vws parts are still pretty available.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

What on that safety related, needs updating? It has a two point safety harness, the body panels don't look to be to loose, the wind screen looks like it was attached at some point, and the exhaust system that is around eight inches from the drivers shoulder doubles as a roll over protection.

Well, the exhaust as roll bar would not pass tech. And it will need a four point harness at least. With the upper body so exposed I'd want some angling side bars and possibly arm restraints to keep things inside in case of getting downside up. Other than that it looks like it Could run and drive, but I doubt it.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.