As of this morning there was a soldier on guard shot in Canada and additionally gunfire reported in the halls of the parliament buildings. This on top of the soldier that died a day ago and his army friend very seriously injured by a purposeful car attack.

They killed that guy when he got out of his upturned vehicle after a high speed chase. So as of today the war in the middle east is showing serious effects in Canada.

I now doubt they can have all the returnees from the IS actions walking the streets and other known extremists of the same beliefs at large here. The real problem will remain they are not all known as well is pretty certain.

My thread title has not been openly discussed yet but I see little alternative. Our fighter jets left for the middle east yesterday. I did feel this might stir the pot and it has apparently. Today is far from over as well mind tomorrow,

The danger now is if one of these individuals decides to eliminate many people at the same time. Not all extremists will be of low intelligence and in an open society like ours can be a real problem.

Nobody really has an accurate body count of how many there actually are living in Canada. Or how many of them will act. Every society has a percentage of what I consider basically unbalanced people. We are no exception.

What I really expect is taking no direct action against them currently. Instead just taking a wait and see attitude. Gotta love politicians. Experts at siting on fences seems to be the current specialty.

I only post this on this site because I feel no radicals frequent it. If I had a good weapon I could take out a whole school yard of children for example before being stopped is not an impossibility. Some how the radical conditioning of these people involves the opposite of having any feelings for others than pure hatred. In their minds people are just objects at best. Fortunately there is an upside though. The more offensive crimes they commit will bring on heavier action to eliminate them quicker.

The three American teenage girls apprehended in Germany this week are a good example. Sending them back to Colorado may have saved both their souls so to speak and their lives perhaps. One has to ask themselves what could have really motivated them to go from a fairly safe existence to the middle east really?
Either they have no brains or us older guys are missing some form of attraction they see. Maybe there were too many video games in their earlier life. Or their very existence at home was not well bonded. I would hate to be one of their parents dealing with them now. Young people make misteaks is a given. Usually not of this magnitude though.

After some consideration the open easily accessable by anyone worldwide communications net may have a hidden darkside to it. People believing without thinking about the content of text alone bothers me. Young people are more suceptable because for many of them today their whole life revolves around it. To a certain extent it may have replaced self function or determination.

Update. The two separate instances of the last few days here where enacted by Canadians born in Canada. Both had converted to Is radical beliefs..

The prime minister kind of soft pedaled it but some form of interment for the others known is going to have to happen. Both the dead individuals where known to the security forces.

Todays problem is there are about 80 known others out there in Canada at this time mind the amount of unknown ones. It is not a president to set up an internment camp in Canada.

What scares me is if they do not locate and confine all of them. Why not give them a one way ticket with no return possible to this country? They can be sent to some country that finances the organization. .

To save complications just drop them by parachute behind Is lines. Doing almost nothing or taking it case by case will change this country. I expect to see public announced decisions in the next week or so.

I liked a shrinks description of why they convert. It had both a ring of truth in it. Plus sounded quite feasible.. Unfortunatly it also indicates that movement could grow.

Personally I think they should be dealt with under military law as traitors. The politicians are probably going to look at many possibilities as fast as they can.

It would not surprise me if a roundup was quietly underway tonite either. Canada is worth not changing from what it is. Other than watching immigration to here more carefully in the future. Yet there is some apprehension that politicians could still mess it up.

Traitors in a state of war . Even though we do no longer declare wars as wars. Have to be dealt with before they act whenever possible. It is 1939 again in some ways.

This group is an offshoot of the organization Canadians fought in Afghanistan . They have a very effective propaganda organization as well now. Plus are well financed apparently.

Unfortunatly they have to be in the states as well is pretty certain.

N.E. Calgary is well known locally as Taliban Heights.

There were internment camps in the Rocky Mountains west of there for German war prisoners and Japanese Canadian civilians in the early '40s.

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German nationals where also interned then as well. There were probably few of them.

There was a prisoner of war camp in the town three miles away from us as well. This in Nova Scotia, Canada, on the east coast. Thunder bay Ontario comes to mind as well.

Canada has long been known as a haven for AQ and others because of their lax immigration policies.

Even though there's a trial going on now because these guys wanted to blow up the Toronto-New York train. They got caught.

There are human beings who consider reasonableness a weakness.

People in Canada will have to suffer a major catastrophe before they worry about something besides the Stanley Cup.

Maybe they'll blow up the main Molson brewery, eh?

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Canada and the USA both have laws that cannot be circumvented unless some sort of a State of Emergency is called for and granted.

Our Laws a strength and a weakness at the same time.

Near ideal would be to allow Law Enforcement to investigate and watch possible Enemies of the State (well I had to say it that way despite the connotation the phrase evokes) closely. That is what would prevent the round up and imprisonment of innocent Muslims. But, you have to face the facts that Laws, the number of available Law Enforcement Officers and Money are not available for those purposes.

People in the USA are extremely Hyper about their Privacy and don't want Law Enforcement listening in on their communications so that is preventing any sort of half way measures from happening.

I am not sure what it is like in Canada but in My State in before a City will replace a Stop Sign with a more expensive Traffic Signal there has to be quite a few Car accidents and deaths.

So it is in our culture not do anything until it is a serious problem.

A less obtrusive method might be to invite all the Suspects to the same meeting and simply tell them that they are all suspects and simply ask them if they would like to leave the Country perhaps followed by silence.

The Deal could be sweetened by a free Flight to where ever they want to go that would accept them (hopefully not the USA).

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Only when guns and health care are concerned, sadly. The attitude of the average American to things like the PATRIOT Act and NSA spying is "if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry. Now about the game tomorrow, will I catch Ebola watching it?"

Canadians might be made of sterner stuff. One can only hope.

From what I've been able to gather from news stories, the shooter was mentally unbalanced, drug addicted and homeless. It seems more accurate to attribute his violence to an addled brain and not religious terror per se.

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Quite....lets not give the terrorist organizations more than their share of the credit for mayhem.

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Look at this way. If some nut goes berzerk, kills a few people, and says, "I did it for Charles Manson," can you really call him a cult follower of Manson if he never actually met Manson in his life?

Using that criteria it would be impossible to blame terror on Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or any dead religious leader.

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Well, they're dead. What's the use of blaming them vs the living dirtbags who misinterpret their doctrines and start death cults?

Who's to say they are misrepresenting their doctrines? Every religion is capable of violence and terror as far as I know.

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Regardless, no use blaming the dead.

What I fear is security beefed up tends not to go away or diminish as times quiet back down. This alone changes society.

At the same time a well organized individual male or female that is rabid with a cause could do something of a major nature . This fortunately has not happened yet. . So far things have been pretty small other than the 9/11 issue in north America.

In my own case if I were an extreme type with no conscience. I am not by the way but the world would not like the results if I were.

So far the people involved in general have been mental misfits as well. I would tend to fear the so called smart sane type of radical far more. Or perhaps we are protected from them partially just by their sanity.

I am pretty sure most of us do not fully realize how much damage a seriously individual with a well functioning brain could enable. I also am pretty sure such an individual could not be stopped either. He or she would not be so stupid as to be identifiable either beforehand or possible after an act. The question in my mind is there even one of them at this level in north America? I certainly hope not.