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Old 04-19-2015, 06:37 AM
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Here's the Donkervoort and i'm in love with it!
This is very cool!

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Old 04-19-2015, 05:22 PM
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This is very cool!
It's a like the little Lotus 7 that went to see a taylor for a fitted suit, got a straight razor shave and is standing before you with a 50yr bottle of Macallen, it became James Bond Its elegant, its racy, its a little cocky, but I love the way it looks and it scoots too! I would love to have one, and 99.9% of everyone else wouldn't know what it is or know someone that has one, I like that!
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:29 PM
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I understand that the ecotech weighs 50
# less. But the conversion would cost what, 4 to 5000? Ehhhhh, no friggin way! This acura engine is a great engine! Only way I'd consider changing it is if it blows up or something.

I had a great time taking off from a standing start. It is pretty amazing that I can take off from a dead stop and lay two stripes about 100 feet or more. I am getting more comfortable with the car. Driving means steering with the rear end. It feels something like driving a power boat! It is truly amazing! I got so far sideways today a couple of times I was not at all certain I'd keep it going without spinning out, but I did.

I qualified in the fastest of six groups. Beat my first matchup with a F mod car which should have been able to beat me but he spun it out, then got eliminated by the three time B mod national champ in his champ winning car....a car which is faster than mine and a driver as well.

You run twice, once in the left lane and once in the right. I had such a good run in the right lane that I actually thought I had a chance to beat him, then tried a little too hard in the other lane and overdrove a couple of corners.

interesting setup.
If you paid someone to source the engine and do it all for you..........

well thats how you rich Guys roll... " im not keen on the mechanical particulars-you'll have to ask my mechanic"

If i did it my self --i would then have to befriend some kid who understands obdII programmable stuff----but you know more than a few here. if i pulled that off it could easily be done for $1600.00
and tyhere are plenty on the shelf turbo computers for the ecotec,, and custom harnesses, the custom bell--that would be a worthwhile venture for someone like myself--even though there are some (expensive) already-so it would hardly take any reprogramming.
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Old 04-19-2015, 06:33 PM
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Ok ill say, you have sorta come to your senses , (as far as the leprecon car you were considering). This is more cooler,
I do not approve of the japanese engine. yank it out and install the 195-starting--ecotech ~ with a snail bolted to the exhaust flange, and programmable--maybe with one o them "smart" phones (finnaly come up with an actual usefull use)

Making that swap would not work so well. The S2000 engine has a wide rev range making shifting rare. Use an engine with a lower redline and you will be doing more shifting. While the GM motor might work better on a big track, Auto X is completely different.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:20 PM
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If you paid someone to source the engine and do it all for you..........

well thats how you rich Guys roll... " im not keen on the mechanical particulars-you'll have to ask my mechanic"

If i did it my self --i would then have to befriend some kid who understands obdII programmable stuff----but you know more than a few here. if i pulled that off it could easily be done for $1600.00
and tyhere are plenty on the shelf turbo computers for the ecotec,, and custom harnesses, the custom bell--that would be a worthwhile venture for someone like myself--even though there are some (expensive) already-so it would hardly take any reprogramming.
With the record of winning this car has it really does not make any sense to make such a fundamental change when the present setup is still working fine. I'm too old and not skilled enough to perform a complete engine swap with nothing that will bolt up in any case. I'm just glad it starts and runs and does act up like my old sometimes FF did.
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:02 PM
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Just spent a couple of hours reading through all the paperwork on the car back from 2002 when it was built. A lot of work and thought has gone into it, that frankly a lot of which is beyond me (electronic ignition, fuel injection and a lot of fancy stuff I can't even say!).

Not much repair work. Brake pads....cleaned injectors and fuel rail.... and nuts and bolt sort of things. Four extra sets of quick change gears. I need to change back to Jeff's preferred gear which I believe is 7.56. He had another one in for a dyno test.

My favorite things are a drawing of the original Lotus 7 showing the cycle fenders mounted to the frame, and two old photos of an original Lotus 7.
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Old 04-23-2015, 01:24 PM
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Making that swap would not work so well. The S2000 engine has a wide rev range making shifting rare. Use an engine with a lower redline and you will be doing more shifting. While the GM motor might work better on a big track, Auto X is completely different.

I thought this car was a K20 car not an F20C car.

I agree with you though, the car is using gearing and powerband to make up for lack of gross HP.

Switching to a turbo ecotec would be incredible, if this was a street car. He'd need totally different gears and be adding the 50 pounds back with the turbo and possibly more. With all 5 or 6 ratios in the box, 4.XX gears and a turbo ecotec making 400hp it would make a hell of a Ferrari hunter... on the highway.

Seems like work and expense for no gain. Its a new car, I'd imagine at this point the car is faster than Tom. When you hit that wall in terms of times, then I'd go looking for more.
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Old 04-23-2015, 03:32 PM
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Really, since I can provoke wheelspin at any speed at present (almost) I don't really see how I can use more horsepower anyhow! Maybe Cashmore could but not me I don't think.

A conversion to the ecotec would require motor mount modification, cooling hose mods, transmission adaptor or a different trans....also a conversion to dry sump alone costs about 3000 just for the parts IIRC. No, switching the motor out is not in the cards. Heck, its already arguably the fastest D mod in the country!

Panzzer may think I'm s stupid rich guy, but I have to work for my money (still) and I am not inclined to throw it away.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:15 PM
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I thought this car was a K20 car not an F20C car.
I checked back in the posts, someone floated the question if it had a S2000 motor, it really has " . . . Accura 2 liter motor from a 2002 car.. . . Its been dynoed at 230 hp and about 160 torque. I believe that is wheel hp. The torque curve is virtually flat from about 2000 rpm to 9000. . . ."

Someone local had / had one of these with a S2000 motor, I was mixing everything together after seeing the 9000 redline.

The original motor is just fine a this point, more power will make the car more difficult to drive.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:41 PM
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Yeah, I looked at one with an s2000 motor and ran want ads asking for such. At the time I was not at all aware of the acura 2 liter motor. It has a almost perfectly flat torque curve from about 2000 rpm up to 9000 and there is no need to shift at any time. Cashmore was using the lower diff gear and starting in third and shifting to fourth. I'll probably start doing that too as soon as I get up the gumption to change the rear ratio.

I'll be doing grandpa duties this weekend instead of racing and racing on the following weekend. Next week I'll suck out the odd stones in the pan, check oil level and look for loose bolts and such. Maybe fiddle with the seat too.
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Old 05-02-2015, 12:45 PM
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Working on the car now in preparation to run tomorrow.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:11 PM
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Making that swap would not work so well. The S2000 engine has a wide rev range making shifting rare. Use an engine with a lower redline and you will be doing more shifting. While the GM motor might work better on a big track, Auto X is completely different.
uh there are basically two different ecotech's the original and the later 2.4 / 2.5's. they are different animals.

over yonder opel even has an econo 3 cylinder one and there is also a 6 cylinder version.
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Old 05-02-2015, 08:19 PM
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I did all the stuff on my list except changing the rear end ratio. Added oil, lubed front end, sucked stones out of belly pan, tightened lugs and hose clamps, fueled it, washed and waxed it and loaded it on the trailer along with spare tires and my new aluminum low clearance floor jack.

I'll be heading out to the northwest side of Indy to run at the ITT campus.

wooo hooo!
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Old 05-03-2015, 05:39 PM
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It was a lovely day. Sunny mostly and breezy. It got up to 80 but was very tolerable. The car ran perfectly. We got six runs. I had two competitors in D mod, both seasoned autocrossers. One the owner of a pretty fast local D mod and the other a veteran who has not driven a d mod in a few years but did in the past for two years. In the beginning both of them were beating me but I nipped the owner at the end by a few tenths. The track was very slippery and bumpy and it was like driving on ice the first couple of runs. The tires gradually got some heat and I got some more smoothness and found places where I could go faster. I hit a few cones but never spun though I got very sideways a couple of times in the early runs.

I am getting the hang of it finally.

Good clean Grandpa Architect fun! (this is a sly reference to my signature).

Now I am going to drive the truck to a nearby town where the mrs is hanging out in our camper.

Cheers!
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Old 05-04-2015, 11:09 AM
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My last run was without significant mistakes. It felt really good. Driving this very powerful car requires a lot more finesse than any of my previous cars. The FF required precision but was a lot more stable in its reactions to driver input.

In the Miata you could mash the gas anytime and not suffer serious consequences. In the FF you could use full throttle many times in one run. In this car you can rarely ever use full throttle. In fact I suspect if I put a block under the gas pedal while I am learning it my times would immediately improve.

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