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Old 10-08-2015, 10:50 AM
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VW Scandal Mark II------understating injury reports

For Volkswagen, New Questions Arise on U.S. Injury Reporting - Bloomberg Business

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Old 10-08-2015, 11:01 AM
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Volkswagen is becoming the Bill Cosby of car manufacturers. Sit back and watch as its reputation is ravaged with accusation after accusation...
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Old 10-08-2015, 05:21 PM
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In some ways I certainly have no love for the company. Still you have to be fair.

In my opinion the statistics indicate you are about ten times more likely to sustain injury in a Toyota than a volkswagon. This I unfortunately believe is possible.

Volkswagon builds a structurally very strong passenger compartment. The competiton not so. At one time long ago they advertised this fact. They soon found that safety does not sell cars or interest new car buyers though.

Also once the competition is about five years old their already much lesser structures have started to corrode. Further weakening them.

Volkswagons factory applied metal anti corrosive coatings inside and out where the best in the business. Inner and outer coatings where about 1/8 inch thick combined from my observation of the wives car after the accident. On areas where the metal is really bent the outer layer of metal separates from the parent metal.

May be thinner now as volkswagon has dropped the twelve year anti perforation warranty. There were some quality control problems with it at the Mexican plant. Maybe production was speeded up.

Ask any large working body shop and they will tell you their cars are tough.

Volkswagon is on the horns of a dilemma right now. They will reduce the market selling prices and also could the quality that buyers may not be aware of. This in the strength and corrosion protection areas. It to me is an area they can save some money without damaging sales.

Volkswagon has been announcing price reductions are coming.
I think it is time to get the wife out of the Toyota and get her into a 2016 jetta with the standard transmission and the new to north America 1.4 twin scroll tubo gas engine.

Simply because I want to reduce the chances of serious injury to her. Mechanically I expect to have more issues with it but that is the lesser of my concerns.

She is not that great of a driver but a wise husband cannot say much. I did not want their diesel anymore nor their obsolite 2 liter gas engine. Or we would have purchased another of their products.

Unfortunatly for her it will be back to a manual transmission but she did well with the last diesel jetta with one so I see no issues. I would not take their automatic even if they threw it in the deal free.
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Old 10-08-2015, 05:54 PM
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Is anybody really surprised that a company founded by Hitler is still busy gassing and murdering the innocent?
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Old 10-08-2015, 08:01 PM
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I hope you didn't take the plunge on VW stock.
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:07 AM
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I should have mentioned earlier that Volkswagon of course could have fudged the figures somewhat and perhaps did. They are capable. I still think they are a better bet in a collision by far than any other car of similar mass on the road.

Their new general managers telling the 60,000 workers at the main plant in Germany. That they would experience no layoffs as a result of all of this. I thought personally was a little premature.

The way they think that has been indicated In many ways over the years. Leaves room for me to think that they cannot comprehend how sales may be impacted.

Once lack of trust in a company has reached a certain point there is no existing model. Or at least I can think of that might indicate accurately the effects.

They could maintain all workers in Germany if they dropped production numbers in their plants overseas would be one possible option I suppose.

I just feel that they may be arrogant beyond belief. Remember the origins of this company and perhaps some residual effects carried forward. They were government owned for a long period. Even today the ownership is not well dispersed.

There was a period there where almost any firm could have owned the enterprise. Might be a few that lived to regret not acquiring it basically for free.

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Old 10-09-2015, 09:44 AM
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About a month ago Ferdinand Pieche stepped down as chairman of the board. He was a Porsche by his Mother I believe. I wondered at the time about it. He seemed like the strong willed type that would rule until he croaks. Perhaps he knew this was coming.
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Is anybody really surprised that a company founded by Hitler is still busy gassing and murdering the innocent?
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Is anybody really surprised that a company founded by Hitler is still busy gassing and murdering the innocent?
A little extreme. The average German really can never get totally away from that period in time. Although what has occurred in the past in the second world war is by no means totally exclusive to them. Nor where the Germans involved alive today.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:18 AM
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Is anybody really surprised that a company founded by Hitler is still busy gassing and murdering the innocent?
Check your history. The modern VW was rebooted after the war by an englishman.
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In some ways I certainly have no love for the company. Still you have to be fair.
For me it's that fact that the don't make a RWD car. My hatred of FWD outweighs my love of diesel engines and manual transmissions. I've heard of reliability issues as well.

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Volkswagon builds a structurally very strong passenger compartment. The competiton not so. At one time long ago they advertised this fact. They soon found that safety does not sell cars or interest new car buyers though.
There's a certain (probably large) market segment to whom safety is a big deal. Volvos are sold on safety, and I notice Mercedes advertising pushes safety features really hard. This may not have worked for VW for some reason.

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Volkswagon is on the horns of a dilemma right now. They will reduce the market selling prices and also could the quality that buyers may not be aware of. This in the strength and corrosion protection areas. It to me is an area they can save some money without damaging sales.
I can't speak to your observations on corrosion. Cars don't really corrode where I live.

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Volkswagon has been announcing price reductions are coming.
I think it is time to get the wife out of the Toyota and get her into a 2016 jetta with the standard transmission and the new to north America 1.4 twin scroll tubo gas engine.
I would not be interested in either a Toyota (unless it's a Supra) or a liquid cooled VW unless it was free or nearly so.

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Unfortunatly for her it will be back to a manual transmission but she did well with the last diesel jetta with one so I see no issues. I would not take their automatic even if they threw it in the deal free.
Given the choice, I will take a manual over an automatic every time.
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I would not be interested in either a Toyota (unless it's a Supra) or a liquid cooled VW unless it was free or nearly so.
How about an MR2?
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I should have mentioned earlier that Volkswagon of course could have fudged the figures somewhat and perhaps did. They are capable. I still think they are a better bet in a collision by far than any other car of similar mass on the road.

Their new general managers telling the 60,000 workers at the main plant in Germany. That they would experience no layoffs as a result of all of this. I thought personally was a little premature.

The way they think that has been indicated In many ways over the years. Leaves room for me to think that they cannot comprehend how sales may be impacted.

Once lack of trust in a company has reached a certain point there is no existing model. Or at least I can think of that might indicate accurately the effects.

They could maintain all workers in Germany if they dropped production numbers in their plants overseas would be one possible option I suppose.

I just feel that they may be arrogant beyond belief. Remember the origins of this company and perhaps some residual effects carried forward. They were government owned for a long period. Even today the ownership is not well dispersed.

There was a period there where almost any firm could have owned the enterprise. Might be a few that lived to regret not acquiring it basically for free.
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How about an MR2?
I forgot about those. A friend has a first-gen one. It has about as many horsepower as my motorcycle, but also weighs about as much. Fun ride.

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