It is obvious that the vehicles can be programmed to meet emissions, that is exactly what they do when they detect a test. The issue is, what will the performance & fuel economy be? Now, would an owner accept a check and a flash and be happy driving grandma's tuner? Would you have bought it new in the first place 'that way' with the big discount? And does VW owe US gov for the credits?

Yes, they can program it to pass emissions, but how does that affect long-term reliability? I'm guessing that that's one of the issues they're dealing with.

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Who knows how it affects long-term reliability, just another thing to add to the list when you consider taking a pay out. If they buy them back, they can reprogram them and sell them to suckers.

Thats me...a sucker. I am not worried about any of that. I bought my 2013 sportwagen TDI, am enjoying it and will keep it if it is allowed and take whatever more money they give out.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The 2.0 and 3.0 TDI will be separate discussions and terms. Guess we really wont know anything but gossip and theories until June.

The Court has prohibited the parties from publicly discussing the details of the tentative agreement at this time, including specific details relating to compensation for affected owners, fix schedules, or buyback terms. As the Court noted, consumers will have the opportunity to review and provide comment once the agreement is released.

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In the mean time this news may help VW stock prices...?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Not really, they just doubled up. VW Doubles Provisions for Cheating Scandal to $18.2 Billion - Bloomberg

Let me take a WAG, you are not driving the new program. They are calling it 'Arf' cuz it is a real dog. Let us know how you like the tuned ride when it is the only legal way to run, er... crawl. I'll predict the reprogrammed units sell real cheap, and there will be a strong illegal market for re tuning to original.

considering the amount of states that don't even have an emissions test, the hypocrisy swilling around this whole issue is head high now.

Meanwhile over on TDI club you have fruitloops ranting about getting the entire purchase price of their 190k 2009 jetta refunded plus 5k, and their other vehicle is a 1994 over fueled cummins belching clouds of black smoke and festooned with dangling balls.

The whole situation is preposterous. VW needs to be punished, but we need to standardize emissions compliance across all 50 states if we want to take the high road.

my 2012 passat has the complete emissions equipment on it including DPF and urea system, so should be fixable with programming. If they suggest a fix I will send it in. I have owned it for 6 months and 15k and have never added urea interestingly.

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How could I be driving the new program?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

That is the point. You can't. Just wait until you experience that bit of wonderment and you will see why they doubled the kitty.

LOL because the system isn't using the pollution controls But seriously, state regs or testing aside the VW's fail to comply with federal regulations as an entire fleet of vehicles identified by particular models with particular engines designed to cheat the test. No matter what individual testing would show. They need to be EPA compliant in the first place just to be legally sold, then, over time and use, testing (if performed) can ferret out which ones have degraded to the point of needing service. My guess is the fix will need to be verifiable and testable to assure compliance and deter retro fits to the fix.

Exactly. From what i understand i should be adding urea every 5ish k. The VW interval is more than twice anyone else due to their shenaniganizing.

However, unlike a large number of the TDIs, all the emissions equipment is at least present, if indolent

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Oh well, how bad can it be? I am a 240d driver.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The whole business is a bit fuzzy to me. How is 'meeting the federal test' determined? I assumed the mfg sends a vehicle, it's tested and certified to pass. How does anyone know how any vehicle fares after that initial test? Half the cars on the road could be failing routinely and nobody would ever know apart from owners in states whose yearly emissions tests mimic the federal standards. Anyone know how many states have tests which mimic the federal standards?
Seems to me a serious emissions program would routinely pull in a few of these cars which are already on the road every few years and see what's going on with their emissions.

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