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Old 04-22-2016, 05:14 PM
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Didn't you have one of them Dodge diesels one time too Tom?

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Old 04-22-2016, 05:22 PM
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Didn't you have one of them Dodge diesels one time too Tom?
I'm pretty sure that he still has it... a 2003 6-speed manual with a flatbed?
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Looks to me as if even CA which its very strict emissions standards only does a visual test for diesel emissions. Does any state actually test diesels for NOX emissions? Definitely not Colorado.
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Old 04-22-2016, 05:37 PM
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The whole business is a bit fuzzy to me. How is 'meeting the federal test' determined? I assumed the mfg sends a vehicle, it's tested and certified to pass. How does anyone know how any vehicle fares after that initial test? Half the cars on the road could be failing routinely and nobody would ever know apart from owners in states whose yearly emissions tests mimic the federal standards. Anyone know how many states have tests which mimic the federal standards?
Seems to me a serious emissions program would routinely pull in a few of these cars which are already on the road every few years and see what's going on with their emissions.
Manufacturers typically self test according to standards communicated to them.

I ran into this with a product release on a much smaller item, originally i assumed i sent it off somewhere so i could state it met certain standards. Nope. I could do a 3rd party, but most places self test.

Ultimately i downloaded the standards, did my own tests and recorded them in super slow motion, and printed that it met the standards laid out for it.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:02 PM
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Didn't you have one of them Dodge diesels one time too Tom?
Going strong at 200K.
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Going strong at 200K.
Its done. That motor is worn out, ill take it off your hands and dispose of it for ya
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Old 04-22-2016, 10:30 PM
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That truck is my best investment in wheels ever.....except for the 59 Ferrari GT 250 pf coupe.
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:54 PM
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I've been enjoying the tdi sportwagen. It reminds me of the 240d in its simplicity of operation and options, though it has much more than a 240 ever had it is simple for today. It has that feel of simplicity but more handling, more power and much more fuel economy than the 240 ever had.....and its nice rowing the 6 speed around.
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:25 PM
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Yes, they can program it to pass emissions, but how does that affect long-term reliability? I'm guessing that that's one of the issues they're dealing with.
No can do if the carbon build up issues result in a major expense say every ten thousand miles perhaps. Buy back on certain years is probably the only option unless Volkswagon want to stick it to their customers. Personally I believe they would other than the German government would not allow it. They have had some really crappy situations in the past they did not stand behind but did during the earlier bug era.

There may be enough third world countries to allow Volkswagon to resell them in. If that where the case it could reduce the financial hit. I have little doubt remaining they may buy some years back. This may produce an abundance of many useful used parts if they were scrapped out in north America. Or they may decide to protect their sales of parts and totally crush them all they buy back. Retianing a few cores for themselves perhaps in the process.

On an earlier post I noticed their sales of both gas and diesel cars new locally seemed really depressed. Now it looks almost certain they seriously are.

It is of no help either that their new gas cars have made the top ten do not buy list in Canada. Locally besides half ton truck sales Toyota and Honda are becoming pretty dominate and much more so as the years go by in new car sales locally. If you talk about buying a new car usually the other party will almost always mention those two brands in conversation.

Hyundai was doing well until it was discovered their engine are barely making it past the warranty period in far too many cases and their transmissions are also having issues. The strangest thing is these two components where pretty solid until the last few years production runs.

Our oldest daughter purchased a new loaded up 2014 ford fusion even though in the past she had good luck with her many Japanese purchases. Plus bad experiences in comparison with her big three ones.

I mentioned this before she got it as well as another son in law to her. Unfortunatly it did not work out well for her.

The dealers service department should have gotten high marks for incompetence. The manufacturer for producing the car as well. The Ford empire less than cognizant that satisfied customers are repeat buyers. Volkswagon at corporate levels is just the same.
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Looks to me as if even CA which its very strict emissions standards only does a visual test for diesel emissions. Does any state actually test diesels for NOX emissions? Definitely not Colorado.
California does emissions rests on diesels manufactured after a certain year. I think 2006.

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Old 06-19-2016, 10:35 AM
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I've been enjoying the tdi sportwagen. It reminds me of the 240d in its simplicity of operation and options, though it has much more than a 240 ever had it is simple for today. It has that feel of simplicity but more handling, more power and much more fuel economy than the 240 ever had.....and its nice rowing the 6 speed around.
2014 touareg tdi is a great car, so far. Will be interesting to see what deal they negotiate on all the 3.0 motor vehicles, like the a7 and the touareg.

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California does emissions rests on diesels manufactured after a certain year. I think 2006.

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All 1998 and up diesels are smog checked in California. This includes visual inspection, OBD2 and tail pipe test.
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According to this there is no tailpipe emissions test for diesels in CA, just a visual inspection for excessive black smoke. No dynamometer test either.

California Diesel Smog Check Requirement - Do diesel cars or trucks need smog tests?
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According to this there is no tailpipe emissions test for diesels in CA, just a visual inspection for excessive black smoke. No dynamometer test either.

California Diesel Smog Check Requirement - Do diesel cars or trucks need smog tests?
Visual inspection is under the hood for any modifications. Tail pipe test is done with a light meter. No visible smoke is allowed from the crank case or tail pipe during idle. Light meter is used during the SNAP test (dyno under load). The diesel can fail at any of these points. Permanent AWD vehicles are exempt from the dyno test.
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That link says there is no dyno test. But in any case, no chemical content test of diesel emissions is conducted.
Hence the oddity of going after VW for chemical content of diesel emissions when no state (to my knowledge) actually cares enough to test the chemical content of diesel emissions.

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