Good lecture on Gobekli Tepe and Catalhoyuk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKwSg7OyvoE&feature=youtu.be&t=2659

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I think the shift from hunter-gatherer to pastoral-farming is symbolically described in the Bible in the relationship between Cain and Able. Able represents the hunter-gathers while Cain, the pastoralist and farmer.

The pastoralist-farmers supplant the hunter-gatherers. This was repeated frequently in history. In fact it is part of the history, mythology and legends of the USA, in which European pastoralists-farmers supplanted all native american hunter gatherers and essentially absorbed native american pastoralists and farmers. Think Zuni, Navaho, Salish, and Kootenai who were mostly sedentary pastoralists and farmers as compared to Sioux, Kiowa, an Apache. Yeah, there were exceptions like Andrew Jackson's attempted genocide of the Choctaw Cherokee. Even so it generally fits the pattern.

Later the Bible records the transition from power shift pastoralist-farmer to urbanites by David's bringing the Holy of Holies into Jerusalem.

I wouldn't dream of suggesting the Bible as a source for scientific understanding. But it is useful as a symbolic representation of many societal transitions.

When the hunt became a walk to the mail box for the check from the man.

I don't think anyone disputes the frequency and commonality of the transition. The data from Gobekli Tepe suggests the process and reasons for the transition were different from what people previously thought.

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

we still are: have you been to walmart lately?

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Fair point.

I didn't watch the video yet but I have thoughts on this subject.

There is a counter-intuitive point I want to make and it is difficult on a forum like this. Technology advanced but social order declined to make the shift. It involved shared water sources. A social order like a tribe existed to share a natural water source and when technology allowed water to be distributed and people didn't have to meet face to face at the water source on a daily basis the social order declined because people lacking the social skills could survive.

Natural water sources are rare in most parts of the world and people settled their differences with stones and clubs. If you didn't treat the other people right at the water source you got axed to leave.

Don't you mean when the hunt became the search in your online bank account for the first-of-the-month transaction?

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I was going to say when they had to turn off the Jerry Springer show to walk out to the mail box, but wasn't sure if he was still on.

"How and when did we stop being hunter/gatherers?"

We did not stop yet. There is still remote places where people still live like that.

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If I was younger,and well,I'd join them.

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There would be peace in it I imagine....depending on how much competition for the resources.

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yes beautiful in the amazon,tribes no longer fight now. I don't think we were made to measure our lives in terms of material wealth,the way the world does.All senators,and leaders millionares,even church deacons have bucks. Man should be judged and promoted on what he does for others.

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Well that is a fine ideal. Unfortunately it is un-American.

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