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Old 11-11-2019, 02:42 PM
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Old 11-11-2019, 04:22 PM
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:51 PM
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Some people accept progress; others want to be stuck in 1960. To each his own...
60s were clunky manuals. Give me late 80s to 2000s for well conceived fun to drive drivetrains.

For some time i had a 1991 miata. I cannot imagine driving that car in an automatic. It was all about curvy roads and the fun factor of getting the most out of a supurbly tuned 90 hp plant mated to a excellent beautifully shifting gearbox.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:21 PM
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Yes my 6 speed SLK320 is like that except with over 200 HP and about 3000 pounds. It is new enough for a reasonable amount of technology and an absolutely wonderful clutch, trans and shifter. Handles great too. Not a Supercar, but a really fun runabout daily driver.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:01 PM
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The vast majority of cars in the U.S. are not sports cars, but are more mundane vehicles that are tasked to function in today's environment. Perhaps a six-speed manual makes some sense out in the more rustic areas of our country. Now imagine that you are in an urban setting, in stop-and-go traffic. That automatic seems to make more sense in that environment.

If man was meant to operate a manual transmission, he would have had three feet...

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Old 11-13-2019, 01:36 PM
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I have driven several hundred thousand, if I added it up, probably over a half million miles in the DFW area including crowded stop light to stoplight as well as jammed up freeways almost entirely with a manual transmission. I didn’t love the traffic, but I didn’t mind at all handling a manual under those conditions. As I stated earlier, I ENJOY driving a manual transmission. In fact, stop and go traffic is more enjoyable with a manual because I get to shift more.

For me it is the opposite. In cruising I don’t get to shift, so an automatic is not as much fun out here in the boonies.
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:57 PM
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The vast majority of cars in the U.S. are not sports cars, but are more mundane vehicles that are tasked to function in today's environment. Perhaps a six-speed manual makes some sense out in the more rustic areas of our country. Now imagine that you are in an urban setting, in stop-and-go traffic. That automatic seems to make more sense in that environment.

If man was meant to operate a manual transmission, he would have had three feet...
You don't need three feet to operate three pedals. I do it all day long. Hee and toe, or more accurately ball of foot and side of heel. The only reason the dct is a thing now is for the numbers crunchers selling cars. Who gives a f if your car does 0-60 in 3.8 or 4.0 seconds? The guys printing it to sell cars is who. Add in a bunch of kids who grew up playing video games and can't or don't want to learn how to drive. If you honestly prefer a paddle shifter (While driving fast) you can't drive a manual to a very high level. A manual with a clutch pedal is infinitely more enjoyable to drive FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY GOOD AT IT. I don't need a computer to rev match when I down shift. It's BS there is no full manual car. They should have it setup where you can put it in manual and use the clutch pedal and shifter or put it in auto. The technology is there. There are companys that make real shifter conversions for Ferraris. The majority of the rich guys that can afford these cars can't drive so they would look real dumb stalling thier cars at the valet. Bottom line is for 10ths of a second off lap times and sales brochures flappy paddle nonsense wins. For real driving enthusiast manual wins. If you disagree you are not fully comfortable driving stick. There is no situation where im worried about a stick shift. Hills, mud , snow. Race track, traffic (which can get tiresome but I'll take the long way instead of the traffic anyway).

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Old 02-28-2020, 08:04 AM
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I am a three pedal man. I have six manuals now in my Cobra and my Dodge truck. The 39 Studie has the five speed.

The cobra is the only car I have owned that would be more fun to drive with an automatic. The shifter is heavy and clunky and the clutch is heavy. Also with the close ratio nature of the transmission it would be more enjoyable if it had just a four speed as the shifting is purely optional in most cases. Heck, it has so much torque you could just put it in fourth and leave it there all the time.
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Some people accept progress; others want to be stuck in 1960. To each his own...
Pretty much, and the ones who cry about a stick won't buy a new one either. When I order my new C8 later this year after the crazyness dies down I wouldn't get a stick if it was offered.

Only time I'd get a stick would be if I bought a 360/430/550 Ferrari. The sticks will hold their value a lot better.

When I was looking at 911's PDK's all the way, heck with sticks obsolete tech.
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Old 02-29-2020, 12:57 PM
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I realize that I am whining to the wrong group since the vast majority of MB drivers have never driven one with a manual. That said, the C8 will not be available with a manual. They FINALLY put out a mid engine then deny the manual.

All but one MB that I have owned have had manuals. Almost every vehicle I have ever owned has been a manual. I LIKE my manuals. I know, I know, the automatic technology has surpassed that of the manual. The problem for me is that I THOROUGHLY ENJOY driving a manual. I would not be buying a new Vette, but a mid engine vette with a stick MIGHT have been something I would have bought in the used market at some point in the future.

The excuses they give for no manual are more of an indication of their lack of engineering prowess than valid reasons. Things like there isn’t enough room in the floor well for three pedals. You engineered the car. Make room for them.

Okay, so I know you are all going to tell me how superior an automatic is. Again I DONT CARE! I like driving a manual.

End of rant.
I just noticed this thread. I was pretty sure that the Corvette was dropping manual transmissions, so I went out and bought a new C7 M7 manual, true ragtop convertible. Love the car.

Corvette going Ferrariesque look may help them in bringing in new buyers, but it's a totally different vehicle than the FE (front engine) C7. They missed the mark design wise. It holds zero interest for me with an automatic transmission. They're just not fun to drive. Too boring.
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Old 02-29-2020, 01:06 PM
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I have driven several hundred thousand, if I added it up, probably over a half million miles in the DFW area including crowded stop light to stoplight as well as jammed up freeways almost entirely with a manual transmission. I didn’t love the traffic, but I didn’t mind at all handling a manual under those conditions. As I stated earlier, I ENJOY driving a manual transmission. In fact, stop and go traffic is more enjoyable with a manual because I get to shift more.

For me it is the opposite. In cruising I don’t get to shift, so an automatic is not as much fun out here in the boonies.
You nailed it right there! Engaging my Corvette from a dead stop in 1st gear is what I live for. I take the feeder/access road to and from my health club 4 miles away from my home, so that I can shift more. The C7 M7 also has Rev Match which negates the need to heel-toe when driving - especially for the hot rodders. It's simply the best Corvette ever made. I loved my new 1977 C3 L82 I bought in 1976. It was a great car, but it was the A3 turbohydramatic transmission. Not all that fun to drive, but a beautiful car.
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Old 02-29-2020, 01:33 PM
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Pretty much, and the ones who cry about a stick won't buy a new one either. When I order my new C8 later this year after the crazyness dies down I wouldn't get a stick if it was offered.

Only time I'd get a stick would be if I bought a 360/430/550 Ferrari. The sticks will hold their value a lot better.

When I was looking at 911's PDK's all the way, heck with sticks obsolete tech.
You still don't get it. It's not about "tech" or being a cool guy with a pdk or whatever at cars and coffee. It's about a pure driving experience. I wouldn't buy a new car for 100 reasons but I dont like abs, traction control, or any automated BS. The reason is that I want to DRIVE MY CAR MYSELF, this generation has just proclaimed " I'm not good at this and I don't want to learn so I'll have a computer do it for me. " And it's worn off on everything and everyone. That crap is great for most people because they suck at driving, BUT it also just continues to make people worse drivers. I watched a guy key fob his Tesla out of a parking space the other day. Someone mentioned that they were faster around a track with a pdk than a manual but still preferred a manual. Unless you are someone like that I'll bet my feet are better abs and traction control than your computer on a race track. That **** keeping you from running into people on the street and improving lap times are very different. The cleetus McFarland YouTube channel just did a review on the c8 and the traction control was cutting in alot until he cut it off. If you want to keep up with the Joneses at cars and coffee you can have your computers. I'll still take 3 pedals all day long. Good luck pop starting your car when your overused start-stop feature kills a starter in 10 years. Or figuring out what is wrong when it won't go into gear, hell I can drive my car with no clutch pedal in an emergency.

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You nailed it right there! Engaging my Corvette from a dead stop in 1st gear is what I live for. I take the feeder/access road to and from my health club 4 miles away from my home, so that I can shift more. The C7 M7 also has Rev Match which negates the need to heel-toe when driving - especially for the hot rodders. It's simply the best Corvette ever made. I loved my new 1977 C3 L82 I bought in 1976. It was a great car, but it was the A3 turbohydramatic transmission. Not all that fun to drive, but a beautiful car.
rev match with your feet. It's so easy and satisfing do do it yourself. Use the brakes if you don't feel like it.

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I am a three pedal man. I have six manuals now in my Cobra and my Dodge truck. The 39 Studie has the five speed.

The cobra is the only car I have owned that would be more fun to drive with an automatic. The shifter is heavy and clunky and the clutch is heavy. Also with the close ratio nature of the transmission it would be more enjoyable if it had just a four speed as the shifting is purely optional in most cases. Heck, it has so much torque you could just put it in fourth and leave it there all the time.
Come on Tom! Grow a pair!

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