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Old 01-22-2020, 01:08 PM
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I do not follow the cup, or any sport for that matter, but this caught my eye.

The boat uses water foils. The speeds are in the 50 mph range and it is a sweet ride ... but ..... the thing that has always bugged me about races like this is these races seem to be more about who has the best tech verses who has the best team.

I would rather see teams compete on identical boats and see which team is the best rather than see who can dump the most amount of money, research and tech into the craft.

Either way ... pretty dam cool boat.

https://youtu.be/hG0e0Ta3-i0

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Since the challengers have to cross an ocean, the defender can build a lighter boat. Thus a built-in advantage. That's why the cup was in America for so many years.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:25 PM
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I do not follow the cup, or any sport for that matter, but this caught my eye.

The boat uses water foils. The speeds are in the 50 mph range and it is a sweet ride ... but ..... the thing that has always bugged me about races like this is these races seem to be more about who has the best tech verses who has the best team.

I would rather see teams compete on identical boats and see which team is the best rather than see who can dump the most amount of money, research and tech into the craft.

Either way ... pretty dam cool boat.

https://youtu.be/hG0e0Ta3-i0
Having raced sailboats myself I agree on an equal boat platform. I raced and won a considerable amount. My boat was better so I never thought it a fair contest.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:30 PM
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What do you think is the most important result of vehicle racing? The answer is innovation. The rear view mirror was an invention for racing, and an incredible number advancements of all kinds have resulted from racing ever since. Wouldn’t be surprised to know the improvements in chariots when racing many millemia ago.

Liberals scream about what’s fair with no recognition of practical values and return on investment. They’re always happy to reap the benefits of other people’s efforts though.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:51 PM
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I had lunch with my grandfather at the NYYC after they lost the cup. While touring the club I just had to ask about the big empty display case. Just another black mark against me in his book....
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I always wanted to sail. But, now that I'm so old any boat I go one needs to have a bathroom.

Class racing series often use locally designed boats. In Virginia, one of these little racing boats is the 17' Mobjack.

A friend of mine and his girlfriend had a job mansion sitting. The historic waterfront estate was for sale, and selling houses like that often takes a long time. They were required to keep the place up, and then really spruce everything up when a prospective buyer was coming. His next door neighbor designed the Mobjack boat, something he did to pay the bills after he was kicked out of USNA for getting a girl pregnant. He had Mobjack 0001 tied up at his dock. My friend had an open invitation to take 0001 out any time he wanted.

My friend got a call from the real estate agent saying some prospective buyers were coming to see the property. He didn't want to get stuck showing them around the estate all day. So, he went sailing. His girlfriend got stuck showing the prospective buyers and the real estate agent around. When my friend got back, his girlfriend said she had some good news and bad news. The bad news it was the prospective buyers said they'd buy the place, so they'd have to move soon. The good news was that she got to meet John and Yoko and spend several hours with them. Lennon was murdered a few months later.

Another friend of mine in college was an avid sailor. He was bringing his sail dingy back to the yacht club when the wind picked up and put the boat out of control and heading for the docks. He got the sails down just in time to gently nudge right up to the dock without crashing into one of the yachts tired up, as if he'd planned the whole thing. Some of the wealthy club members saw what happened, not realizing that the positive outcome was pure dumb luck, and asked him to crew on their racing yachts.

My bro-in-law used to race sailboats, once from Fort Lauderdale to Virginia Beach. He also has an airplane to go back and forth from Miami to his house in the Bahamas. I always expect the next family gathering on Frau Putzer's side will be his funeral or memorial service, depending if the USCG recovers his body.
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My uncle Bill, in the 1960's was a die hard Mariner and had various sail boats, I remember he really enjoyed racing (?) a tiny thing called a "Thistle" in the great lakes , I went once ot twice, it was interesting to say the least .

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday was the old racing credo .
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Old 01-23-2020, 01:01 AM
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Since the challengers have to cross an ocean, the defender can build a lighter boat. Thus a built-in advantage. That's why the cup was in America for so many years.
Huh? The boats do not have to meet the same standards in terms of length, weight ... etc?
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What do you think is the most important result of vehicle racing? The answer is innovation. The rear view mirror was an invention for racing, and an incredible number advancements of all kinds have resulted from racing ever since. Wouldn’t be surprised to know the improvements in chariots when racing many millemia ago.

Liberals scream about what’s fair with no recognition of practical values and return on investment. They’re always happy to reap the benefits of other people’s efforts though.
Is a race to determine who has the better tech or who is the better sailor?

No one is arguing against innovation. Racing has brought much to the consumer. That is not what this is about.

If I watch racing, I want to know who is the better athlete not who has the fancier high tech gear. HTF you bring politics into this is beyond me.
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Growing up we had this. A 15' Skylark. It was a mono-hull but there was a tunnel down the middle and it has twin keels (daggers) and a 21' mast. That boat could haul ass on flat water.


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I still have an A good size sailing dingy in an Albacore and a small racing scow. Neither see much use anymore.


You have a far greater chance for survival today in long distance sailing than was possible in the past. At least you are always certain of where you are and rescue if needed is far more possible. Plus you do not have to guess the weather.

When I was involved with larger sailboats this was not the case. It still suprises me that so many make the trip around the world and survive to talk about it. Weather conditions and a host of other things can easily still kill you.

In the 1950s an English older coupe did it twice in a heavy displacement thirty footer. A book by the Hiscocks is an interesting description of the realities of that time. They presented a reasonably accurate book about their first circumnavigation.They were getting pretty old when they completed their second adventure.

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I do not follow the cup, or any sport for that matter, but this caught my eye.

The boat uses water foils. The speeds are in the 50 mph range and it is a sweet ride ... but ..... the thing that has always bugged me about races like this is these races seem to be more about who has the best tech verses who has the best team.

I would rather see teams compete on identical boats and see which team is the best rather than see who can dump the most amount of money, research and tech into the craft.

Either way ... pretty dam cool boat.

https://youtu.be/hG0e0Ta3-i0
Referencing the second to the last paragraph. I am not surprised a socialist would see it that way. Second to the last paragraph says it all. Soon that one boat will sink, then give it to the next competitor.
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Huh? The boats do not have to meet the same standards in terms of length, weight ... etc?

The primary constraint was length at the waterline. But a boat that doesn't need to cross an ocean can be engineered differently from one that does. Do you think all F1 or Indy cars are identical, even though they homologate to the same standard?
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What do you think is the most important result of vehicle racing? The answer is innovation. The rear view mirror was an invention for racing, and an incredible number advancements of all kinds have resulted from racing ever since. Wouldn’t be surprised to know the improvements in chariots when racing many millemia ago.

Liberals scream about what’s fair with no recognition of practical values and return on investment. They’re always happy to reap the benefits of other people’s efforts though.
Too bad you tried to make it political.
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The primary constraint was length at the waterline. But a boat that doesn't need to cross an ocean can be engineered differently from one that does. Do you think all F1 or Indy cars are identical, even though they homologate to the same standard?
I know all F1 and Indy cars are not the same but no one drives an Indy car or F1 car to the race.

I was not aware that the America Cup boats sailed to the location. I figured since it is a dedicated race boat that it was ferried to the location.

As far as the cars not being the same, I have the same issue with most professional sports that use a car/plane/boat or what ever. I am more interested in who is the best athlete in that particular sport than who has the best vehicle. That is why I prefer running, gymnastics, stuff like that. It's all about the person and their skill.

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