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The W123 has appeal because it's very "old school" and was offered with some of the best engines MB ever made - OM616, OM617, M110. The styling, simplicity, and durability are big attractions. Add to the fact that they're older and becoming more scarce, and their value begins to climb, especially for nicely preserved and low-mileage examples.
The W124 was a better car if you take an objective look at them. However, they were hampered by engine choices, known faults, and stupid design decisions throughout their lifetimes though which makes them unappealing to anyone looking to "collect" or "drive a classic". The OM603 that came in the diesel 1987 models was light-years ahead of the OM617's of the W123's, but had a poor cooling design and problematic exhaust trap-oxidizer in the W124 and developed a reputation for cracked heads. Later W124 diesels came with the 2.5 turbo 602's that had their own teething problems. The '95 diesel came with the n/a OM606 and is well regarded. The 6 cylinder cars came with the lame M103 and a really stupid decision to make the 4-speed transmission start in 2nd gear.... Great idea for an engine with zero torque below 2500 RPM... Later cars came with the M104 that had head gasket problems, but still the stupid 2nd gear start. Add in the biodegradeable wiring debacle in the 90s, and the W124 generation is largely passed over as being anything worth really having except to a very dedicated crowd. There are a few stand-out models that garner attention (such as the wagons and 500E), but by and large the W123's are the vintage E-class cars that people tend to go for. The looks have been mentioned here too, and I'll agree with that. I've never personally liked the looks of the W124. To me, it always looked a bit "soviet". Just a plain white-good with no style, no substance, and no character. The '94/95 facelift versions dressed it up into an acceptable look IMHO, but they're too new to be of any real interest.
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I like the looks of a 124, though there is one awkward transition between the main body and the rear attachment of the roof.
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I think the w201,124,140 were cars built to compete on the autobahn and on the track. They all were sleeker in design and catered to a younger businessman as well as someone that wants to go fast. Not just a luxury car but a sports car.
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6 cyl m104 w124 cars do not start in second gear
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What's with the freak out about starting in second gear? Just floor it and use the kickdown switch and it starts in 1st. All the 123 auto's were this way. I've done 140 mph in a 300E with an M103 and don't quite get the idea that it's an anemic motor.
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thats what I experienced too, and that engine requires to spin up to deliver the power unlike the later V6s
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The other reason w124 are appreciating in value is due to the hipster factor, similar to the BMW E28 and E21 sedans.
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Second Gear Start
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In 1981 somewhere first gear start was implemented . It greatly helps my '82 240D . Yes, the depressing of the throttle or pulling the gear lever back to first before the light turns green worked fine too, I did that in my two NA 300CDs.
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I was assuming this had some play I was in to e21s when it happened with those I haven’t been able to find a good cheap one since I sold my last one. I also remember when you could get a good condition e30 for around $1500 haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Now its the usual "I know what I have" asking gold price for a mud item. however Im starting to see E34 getting some love too, their prices will start rocketing off soon.
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I have two worn out Euro stick shift 240D’S. If I were younger I would restore one of them, or find a low mileage US car and move some of my Euro pieces to it.
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The issue with the w124 in the US, actually a number of issues, is the comparatively lesser care given and higher miles driven of the cars; the fact that the car with the most reliable engine -the 2.5 L OM602.912 NA Diesel I5 cylinder was not sold in the US instead you got the issue prone 603. Also the biodegradable wiring harness previously mentioned and there's the when not if evaporator leak - a 20hr, $2000+ job fingers crossed no dash parts left over after reassembly.
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Like so many people that love Mercedes i have had them both the W123 and the W124 i would pick the W123 anytime .I dont thinl you can even put tem in the same class .
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I too have many, many miles in both and I love both. Since I have always done my own work to include engine rebuilds and such. That makes me lean toward the 123, but in the drivers seat on a fun road, the 124 is clearly superior.
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If you had to take a road trip going from New York City to Los Angeles, which car would you pick for reliability?
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