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Old 04-18-2021, 08:03 PM
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Auto Pilot not ready for prime time....

https://news.yahoo.com/two-dead-tesla-crash-texas-185858536.html

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Old 04-18-2021, 09:04 PM
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Crispy Critters....

Play the video, notice he says the tesla battery was the cause of the fire.

https://www.khou.com/video/news/local/deadly-tesla-crash/285-65cb4994-beee-41b1-b85b-96b42ae1ea5b
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Old 04-20-2021, 03:32 PM
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Lithium based batteries are needed now. There will be a lot of spontainious battery fires. A lithium fire provides it's own oxygen. So very hard to extinguish.

Not safe to park them in an attached house garage or near other vehicles. The technology is not new and the hazzards are well known.

They will still sell well. Even with the inherent risks. The batteries can semi explode if the internal or external short can carry the full current.

You can weld with a small one in your hand. Energy density is masive and discharge rates very high. Battery costs should come down with time. Unless the market decides otherwise.
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Old 04-20-2021, 05:19 PM
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Tesla defends it as still well below the average accident rate and safer but how many of these bufoons playing games and sleeping are going to crash into other motorists? Also the lithium mining and extraction industry is going to play havoc with the environment.
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:17 PM
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trying not to sound too harsh, but I believe tony is correct. Selling a car with "auto-pilot" to morons is a recipe for disaster. That and a battery that goes up in flames like a wood pile soaked in kerosene doesn't look too good either. I never liked the fact that there is NO big metal block of metal sitting up front to protect the driver in the event of a head on crash.

all in the name of 'environmentally friendly'.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:31 AM
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I think an EV for running around town and errands would be cool.
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Old 04-21-2021, 04:51 AM
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I think an EV for running around town and errands would be cool.

They sell them for 5k american dollars in China. Look to hold four people.
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Old 04-21-2021, 11:01 AM
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trying not to sound too harsh, but I believe tony is correct. Selling a car with "auto-pilot" to morons is a recipe for disaster. That and a battery that goes up in flames like a wood pile soaked in kerosene doesn't look too good either. I never liked the fact that there is NO big metal block of metal sitting up front to protect the driver in the event of a head on crash.

all in the name of 'environmentally friendly'.
That "big metal block" is designed to go under the car and away from the passenger in case of a collision. The structure of the car is what absorbs the impact and saves your life, the engine just gets in the way.

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Old 04-21-2021, 12:02 PM
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I'm with Tony and Husky Man here ~ there have been quite a few crashes caused by dolts expecting the car to self drive even though they manufacturer says don't do this .

Humans are very adept at ignoring reality and so causing them selves endless misery .

The battery fire thing has been a known issue from the jump .
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Play the video, notice he says the tesla battery was the cause of the fire.

https://www.khou.com/video/news/local/deadly-tesla-crash/285-65cb4994-beee-41b1-b85b-96b42ae1ea5b
What was the vehicle speed at the moment of impact, and how well would a gasoline-powered car of similar size fare in terms of the likelihood of a fire?
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:10 AM
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notice in the video I liked below, the entire front of the Tesla is M-I-S-S-I-N-G. The lack of an engine up front contributed to James Dean dying in a Porsche. No engine up front = no protection. This Tesla folded up like the piece of cardboard it is.

Physics 101.

Why an engine up front is a good thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGv0nMYXaRQ

Same principal is why James Dean was killed in a crash involving his Porsche 550. Mid Engine Porsche 550, great race car, not so good when the car was involved in a head on collision.

porsche 550 spyder james dean crash - Bing images
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Old 04-22-2021, 10:41 AM
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I'm with Tony and Husky Man here ~ there have been quite a few crashes caused by dolts expecting the car to self drive even though they manufacturer says don't do this .
Agree 100%.

It might help if the aforementioned manufacturer didn't call the system 'autopilot' and charge its customers thousands of extra dollars for hardware updates labeled 'full self-driving capabilities'

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people believe we are 99% of the way there with self-driving cars and all we need is another couple of over-the-air software updates and the self driving car will be reality.

Then Tezla releases its 'self-summon' feature where the car as supposed to navigate its way to the user in a parking lot at 2mph. Go on the web and take a look at how well this 'feature' works. If you have a totally empty parking lot it seems to work sometimes and there are quite a few Tezla fan boys showing videos of smart summon working in these environments... well at least sort of working. In a more typical parking lot with other cars, pedestrians, shopping carts ect the Tezla 'feature' drives like a drunken 2 year old child. And of course the Tezla feature won't work on public roads or public parking lots and you've got to be within 50 yards on your smartphone with your finger on a dead-mans button to confirm you're actually watching the whole thing and can shut it down at a moments notice by removing your finger from the button.

But yeah, we're right around the corner from full self driving on real roads in real traffic at 70MPH. How about a dead-mans button on the self-driving feature on the road? Why do they have one for a parking lot where the car has 10X the amount of time to make a decision and not have one for the on-the-road version?
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:34 AM
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notice in the video I liked below, the entire front of the Tesla is M-I-S-S-I-N-G. The lack of an engine up front contributed to James Dean dying in a Porsche. No engine up front = no protection. This Tesla folded up like the piece of cardboard it is.

Physics 101.

Why an engine up front is a good thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGv0nMYXaRQ

Same principal is why James Dean was killed in a crash involving his Porsche 550. Mid Engine Porsche 550, great race car, not so good when the car was involved in a head on collision.

porsche 550 spyder james dean crash - Bing images
You said this earlier and it is still incorrect. The engine does not perform any safety function in a crash. Cars are designed to allow the engine to move out of the way (under the car) as to allow the body structure to do its job and absorb the impact of the crash. Volvo said as much on one of their promos back in '06.

https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/en-us/media/pressreleases/3512
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“A compact format is a matter of safety,” explains Derek Crabb. “It is particularly important that the engine takes up minimal space longitudinally in the vehicle. Volvo’s engines are fitted transversely and a compact engine thus has more space to move inside the engine compartment in the event of an impact that deforms the car’s front. This helps reduce the risk of engine penetration into the passenger compartment.”
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Old 04-22-2021, 03:23 PM
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You said this earlier and it is still incorrect. The engine does not perform any safety function in a crash. Cars are designed to allow the engine to move out of the way (under the car) as to allow the body structure to do its job and absorb the impact of the crash. Volvo said as much on one of their promos back in '06.



https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/en-us/media/pressreleases/3512
He is begging for attention by reposting the same lie over and over again. I wonder what his fire investigator "friend" would say in this crash -- maybe try turning the car back on?

Teslas are among the highest rated for safety on the road. He compared a Tesla to a 50s race car before safety tech was even a forethought in design lol. Tesla, cars, tech and company has plenty of problems and things to address, but crash safety generally is not one of them.
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Old 04-22-2021, 04:36 PM
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I am also guessing that there is not much to be done that can save a dumbass on the road doing 70mph and not paying attention. Hitting a barrier at that speed is going to kill you. Tough chyt. Pay attention in your next life.

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