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Old 05-12-2021, 03:25 PM
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I asked this in a design meeting. I was told the plastic part was more expensive.
I doubt that very much.

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Old 05-13-2021, 10:52 AM
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Wait until they start building fully electric cars. Everything will be some plastic composite.
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Old 05-13-2021, 10:53 AM
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Wait until they start building fully electric cars. Everything will be some plastic composite.
At which point it won't matter.

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Wait until they start building fully electric cars. Everything will be some plastic composite.
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Have you seen the bmw i3 shltbix breadvan? CFRP (carbon reinforced plastic. The answer to the question nobody asked.
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Old 05-15-2021, 09:23 PM
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Reliability of a BMW can't hold a candle to a MB. Once they get past 120k miles the cooling system plastic starts to fail then there is that hi dollar electric water pump that dies anytime after about 150k miles. Dont even get me started with what I think about the computer controlled oil pump. Now with that said I do a lot of BMW repair work.
I took my 2006 e46 MT to 211,000 miles.

Replaced fuel pump when it failed, replaced water pump before it failed, some gaskets here and there. 2 brake jobs. Would have kept driving but got T boned. Best car I ever owned.

Note, reliability is but one measure of a car. By that standard, a Honda is a better car than a MB.
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Old 05-18-2021, 12:12 AM
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Reliability of a BMW can't hold a candle to a MB. Once they get past 120k miles the cooling system plastic starts to fail then there is that hi dollar electric water pump that dies anytime after about 150k miles. Dont even get me started with what I think about the computer controlled oil pump. Now with that said I do a lot of BMW repair work.
I took my first 325i ('87 E30) from 214K to 450K, heads never off. Still ran strong when I sold it ... until the electronic gremlin kicked in, happened progressively sooner, usually 5 to 15 minutes, after which point it would maybe start the next day or the day after. But it would always heal itself enough to start again until it got halfway hot and then would conk out again.

Mine had a belt driven water pump but the electric fuel pumps were a PITA. At some point, a year or two after mine, they went with one large in-tank pump but mine had an in-tank and an in-line pump. I was alwasy sweating pronounced whining from the in-line unit, this after the first one died. It's tow truck time then. Once I replaced one with a good spare I head on the side of highway. Got me outta there. Also needed to have fuel pump relay spares on board. OEM on both of those spendy. I was able to find cheaper work arounds, such as mounting an in-tank Vega pump to my in-tank housing.

The E30 is a great car in many ways though, taking it to my mileage figure would have been foolish for a non-mechanic. Too expensive. I managed to find and fix a few gremlins over the years. My big regret is I didn't have the space and capability to put in an M50, along with new harness and ECU of course. That was the plan of the young man I sold it to. Hated to see that car go. Had it for about 17 years.
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I have a theory that one's automotive tastes are developed in the late-teen years, when one first starts driving. When I started driving, all the M-B's sold in the US were either big S Class cars, or mid-size cars with diesels, all with automatic transmissions, and lousy automatic transmissions at that. So, I gravitated toward BMW's, and I'm still there.

BMW also made small, relatively inexpensive two-door sedans back then, the 2002 and the first 3 Series. This was my dream car in high school. This particular car was built from an existing body shell (to have a 1970's VIN and only be subject to 1970's safety and emissions requirements) and new parts by BMW Classic, circa 2003. It cost about $150k back then. If my office lottery pool ever hits a jackpot, they're going to build another one.

I got all three of my BMW's with manual transmissions. I squeaked under the wire with my 2014 535i. My car was built in February 24th, and they stopped making manual 535i's on February 28th. Frau Putzer's first and probably last BMW, an X3 30i has an automatic, as will my next one (330i or 530i).

Friends of my mother has a 240D back in the 1970's. My mother had severe back trouble. After riding in the front seat of her friends' 240D, she wanted one. But, the diesel engine and horrible automatic transmission stopped her from buying one.
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Actually, I think the 1970's 240D was available with a manual transmission.
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What are your opinions on this?
Personally, I tend to see BMW as more nimble and sexier.
Better in what category? Every car is better than another in some category or another.

Be specific in what you look for ina car, then responses can be meaningful to you.
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If I were taking one or the other around a track, I might prefer the BMW. Taking one on the road, I prefer the Merc.

But, TBH, you really can’t go wrong with either.
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Old 06-25-2021, 01:30 PM
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Have you seen the bmw i3 shltbix breadvan? CFRP (carbon reinforced plastic. The answer to the question nobody asked.
The question of “how can we make cars lighter“ has been asked for some time.
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The question of “how can we make cars lighter“ has been asked for some time.
The follow-on questions are:

1. How light do you want it?

2. How much money do you have?


I had an engineering professor who worked on some really cool stuff in his day: OV-10 Bronco, ABM, etc. One of his lesser projects was a DOT-funded passenger rail car with unrealistic weight requirements. The only way to meet the requirement was with composites. So, with cost-no-object, they built one carbon-fiber railroad car. It cost as much as an F-16 and was then unceremoniously parked on the desert.

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Behold, the 240 MPG, 1750 pound, $140k economy car....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car#2011_model

Actually, that $140k was the MSRP. They only sold 200 of them. So, the actual unit cost was probably somewhere way north of $1M/car.... so you can save a few hundred dollars with of diesel fuel each year.
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Old 06-26-2021, 12:26 AM
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The first gen is always more expensive. Not saying this particular car will come down to $30-$40,000, but it is interesting. 0 to 100 Km/h in 11.9 seconds is not shabby. Not neck snapping, but not 240D either.

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