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Old 07-24-2023, 05:21 PM
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New Texas Craftsman tool plant closing

https://toolguyd.com/craftsman-hand-tools-factory-texas-closing-2023/
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:14 AM
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Who knew that Craftsman was a woke company leaving Texas because of their atrocious governor?
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Old 07-25-2023, 11:22 AM
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:11 PM
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They're abandoning Texas and bulking up their investment in Tennessee. Of the two states, which one has been more guilty of mistreatment of people illegally crossing from Mexico? Respectable corporations realize that they have an image to protect. I can't imagine that Tennessee state government has even more of an anti-labor sentiment than Texas, so Craftsman isn't throwing away a huge investment in Texas in order to find a cheaper labor force.
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Old 07-26-2023, 12:24 AM
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Where are you getting this information? My understanding is that the reason this plant even existed is that highly automated manufacturing was supposed to make the cost of manpower less relevant. And that automation failed to achieve the intended level of quality and quantity. The machinery was supposedly made in Belarus, so parts and support may have become a problem as well.
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Old 07-29-2023, 08:12 PM
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Where are you getting this information? My understanding is that the reason this plant even existed is that highly automated manufacturing was supposed to make the cost of manpower less relevant. And that automation failed to achieve the intended level of quality and quantity. The machinery was supposedly made in Belarus, so parts and support may have become a problem as well.
My understanding is this is the case. Sometimes companies come up with a new concept that is supposed to solve all the problems. Sometimes they work out. Sometimes they don't.

An example: During the early 90s the Sunoco refinery in Tulsa decided to capture ALL the private label branded motor oil in the US. It was just a question of blending and inventory. The inventory was the cost savings game changer.

They went all in, spent tons of money, and it flopped. They could never get the automated inventory robots to function correctly. It was the beginning of the end for Sunoco.

Craftsman bet big on automation. And it worked if they ran the machines slowly. But they had to run so slow they could not produce enough product to stay in business. Then they discovered there was no solution but to shut it down and quit spending good money after bad.

Truly a case of sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.
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Old 07-26-2023, 11:01 AM
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I was at a big-wig Democrat luncheon held at the local Arby’s. They had a slideshow about this and everything…
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Old 07-26-2023, 03:06 PM
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Illegals who just happen to be sex traffickers regularly abduct/kidnap adults and children from Target Stores and Wal-mart stores located in San Antonio, Texas.

They have a look-out/recruiter go inside the Target and Wal-mart to scope out the children and/or adults for abduction/kidnapping. When the targets are about to leave the store, the look-out/recruiter radios out to a black SUV with 4 - 6 big hispanic illegals telling them the targets are about to leave the store. The black SUV then swoops in to the front door of the Target or Wal-mart for the abduction/kidnapping. IT HAPPENS SO FAST IT WILL MAKE YOUR HEAD SWIM!!!

They then take the children and/or adults BY FORCE and send them down Mexico way for some real fun. Sometimes they contact the families of their kidnapping victims to see if they are willing to pay a large RANSOM. Ransom payments are negotiated to be paid at bridge crossings between the U.S. and Mexico.

The families are instructed to bring only CASH in a large suitcase to the prisoner exchange. Normal requirements are around $250K although sometimes the sex trafficking gangs will accept less. The exchange occurs around 2:00 AM to 3:00 AM; the families are instructed to not contact the police or the authorities or their family member(s) will be killed. Once the illegal mexican gangs get their hands on the cash, they send their abductee(s) across the bridge to meet back up with their families. In more than a few cases, they have SEVERELY BEATEN the abductee (adults and/or children) to the point they are not recognizable as a man, woman or child.

your tax dollars at work.....again.....
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:59 PM
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I was at a big-wig Democrat luncheon held at the local Arby’s. They had a slideshow about this and everything…
everything!! Now that is one big slide show!
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Old 07-26-2023, 03:38 PM
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Oh my goodness! Care to document just one example of this?
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Old 07-30-2023, 02:40 PM
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I agree with your view.

I'm sure all of us have experienced or know about failures due to shortcomings that were not foreseen.

I worked with one of the largest computer companies starting in 1961. Over the years I was aware of many failures due to expectations exceeding the knowledge and abilities of the people and the machines involved. Typically management would assign people based on their title without any review of their proven capabilities. Far too many projects failed or had major shortcomings.

In my past experience, people with the same title were sometimes not capable of producing even five percent of the quality and quantity of others with the same title. Plus it took far longer to find and correct the errors they created.
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Old 07-30-2023, 03:10 PM
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I agree with your view.

I'm sure all of us have experienced or know about failures due to shortcomings that were not foreseen.

I worked with one of the largest computer companies starting in 1961. Over the years I was aware of many failures due to expectations exceeding the knowledge and abilities of the people and the machines involved. Typically management would assign people based on their title without any review of their proven capabilities. Far too many projects failed or had major shortcomings.

In my past experience, people with the same title were sometimes not capable of producing even five percent of the quality and quantity of others with the same title. Plus it took far longer to find and correct the errors they created.
An example of what it sounds like you are talking about....

I needed to learn the retail hydraulic equipment business from the inside out for a story I had been assigned. So I hired on as a clerk.

I was quite a success as an inside sales person because I didn't care about profits. I cared about giving the customer a break and because of this I was often asked for by name when customers would come to the supply house.

Anyway, during the year I worked there IBM showed up trying to sell a payroll processor. And that's all it did. It cost two million dollars. The two salespeople were a couple of the most drop dead beautiful women I had ever seen and I worked in an industry full of beautiful women. They didn't know much about the machine but they knew how to cozy up to the guy who had the authority to buy the machine.

Then it got down to the real workings of the machine and why it was worth, in 1978, two million dollars. That meant tech bros and the buying guy lost interest.

So back came the babe patrol who sweet talked the buyer into writing a check. I got to know one of the salespeople as she had just bought a new Audi and it was already breaking down on her. When she found out I understood German cars I became her new best friend.

I asked her what she knew about the payroll machine and the answer was not much. It would process payrolls if you knew how to work it which she didn't.

It was obvious she and her partner had gotten their positions not through what they knew.
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Old 07-31-2023, 12:12 AM
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IBM was the poster child for lost competency in the 70's, but that's an old story. Spoiler: IBM today is not a manufacturing colossus. It makes most of its money on services.

I think the Craftsman story is a modern parable, much more relevant to the state of things today than the news of a single factory closing. The logic of repatriating industry from Asia is that modern automation solves the problem of high labor cost. With labor out of the picture, American factories can be competitive with factories anywhere in the world. Especially if you factor in hard costs like transportation and soft costs like political risk. If the Craftsman experience is typical, there had better be a plan B.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:19 PM
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I think the plan B is to not go with the cheapest vendor. Someone convinced the management at Craftsman that these machines would work. Once they were sold on the concept they set about about to find the cheapest vendor.

Not the best.

Another story: A paper goods company needed a new type of glue. So they put out the specs to anyone who made glue. Some guy with a glue factory in his garage won the contest by a wide margin. The paper company then gave a sample of the glue to 3M and asked if they could produce it and at what price.

3M didn't know where the sample came from but they were able to make it. So the paper goods company, which was small, gave 3M the contract. 3M did a good job, but the paper company was the smallest customer they had. So even with their rep working to service the company their orders sometimes fell behind.

If the paper company had stuck with the original supplier the paper company would have been their largest customer and would have received top service. But if 3M ran into a supply problem the small paper company got pushed to the side.

The bottom line was costs for the paper company shot up as they sometimes had supply problems since their orders were small and unique.

The moral? Don't spend money you don't have to but also don't cheap out.
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