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08-13-2002, 03:22 AM
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Mercedes=loser!?!?!?!?
This person is obviously misinformed or spends too much time believing everything he reads. http://forums.caranddriver.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=001105&p=
I've been on this message board long enough for people to refer to the Mercedes as a 'status symbol.' A sign of performance that only goes hand in hand with BMW models. Yet, ALL Mercedes models usually come in last/next to last in magazine comparisons. Therefore, Mercedes are loser cars. How can one buy a Mercedes in the interest of owning a status symbol?! Do they want to be associated with loserdom? Are they siding with the underdog? Overpriced and underperforming luxury sedans?! "I own a BMW M3/CTSi/Corvette/GS 300. They stand for performance and sucess. They win all awards. They represent excellence. They come in first or second place by the critics all the time." But the Mercedes owner must be, "I own a Mercedes. They come last/next to last in car comparisons by all critics. They usually come in last place at LeMans, if they don't catch fire first. They have poor performance, inferior engineering, cost a ton and weigh OVER a ton. I bought this car to side with the underdog." Why would ANYONE want to associate themselves with a car marque that CONSISTANTLY comes in last place in car comparisons?! Dumb A$$!!
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08-13-2002, 03:39 AM
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I liked the car_for_mom reply. "Mom might just have to go upside some heads ! "
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08-13-2002, 04:47 AM
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ok...mercedes sells to people that already have mercedes. Mercedes doesnt even have to advertize because we already have mercedes and we will buy more some day. Mercedes may loose in compairisons like the one in motor trend where all the amg models lost. Well wait til the SL55 gets here....that will beat any car practically. THe Z8 wont even be able to touch it. Mercedes will have the quickest and fastests cars pretty soon. The E55 with the supercharged engine with 476 horsepower will kill the M5...so just wait.
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08-13-2002, 07:11 AM
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Too many idiots, not enough villages.
I'd love to see how that Caddie's doing at 225K+ miles...
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08-13-2002, 09:32 AM
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I never really pay much attention to those reviews. It seems that the writers only look after there own personal interest. I wonder exactly goes on when these writers converse with the vehicle factory reps.
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08-13-2002, 12:07 PM
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That poster just doesn't have a clue
 How on earth can anyone in their right mind say that a Cadillac CTS is better than a comparably equipped C-Class or 3-Series. I test drove the CTS before I bought the 500E to see what all this press hype was about and I have to say that I was extremely dissapointed. The sales guy saw my dissapointment as soon as I sat in the car and never even tried to sell me the car! In fact I didn't even have to drive the car to be dissapointed. The whole interior was made of plastic. The door skin was one piece of nasty grey plastic which totaly shocked me. How anyone could call that a luxury car is beyond me, it reminded me more of a Cavalier. The fit and finish, materials used were worse than my Accord for 10K more! The worst part of it was that the 220Hp engine had less pep that my 200Hp Accord and it was significantly louder. On the bright side the car did handle well......oh well.
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08-13-2002, 01:00 PM
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What an ediot!! Typical stupid BMW and Caddilac (american sofa) driver!!
JEALOUS!!!!! JEALOUS!!!!! HE IS SIMPLY JEALOUS!!!!!
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08-13-2002, 01:25 PM
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Proud Mary probably does not own the Caddy. It most likely belongs to his grandpa and he gets to drive every now and then during his summer vacation from school. None of his argument made sense.
He is obviously clueless as to what a good car is! Comparing a Cadillac to a MB simply shows his ignorancy.
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08-13-2002, 02:40 PM
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Unfortunately, this includes Consumer Reports, which is a magazine that some people I know take seriously. And placo's right on the Caddy; in fact, every GM I've seen is like this. They're unbelievably cheap-looking inside. Even Ford and Chrysler do a better job of making their interiors at least look better. Could be worse, though; I was reading a horror story of a guy with a new Chevy pickup with the new Isuzu diesel having injector problems directly related to a known design defect. The dealer tried to claim that he was running dirty fuel and that the new injectors (installed, I think they said it was a $6,000 job) wouldn't be covered by warranty. After being given overwhelming evidence to show the contrary, they finally relented and replaced the injectors that were directly affected (leaving the other 6 to die another day) under warranty... Just sickening. GM's looking for 1) themselves and 2) the bottom line and 3) nothing else. 
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08-13-2002, 03:26 PM
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BMWs top the testing? Not long-term testing, methinks.
Before buying his 500E, s/b flirted with the idea of buying a six-speed 540i. (Manuals are nice sometimes, particularly with a V8 in front of them.) He talked to some first-generation 540i owners. Heard a bunch of stories about engine blocks that rotted from the liners out, requiring complete short block replacements. Some of these were replaced gratis, but people told me they had to get in a bar fight with their zone reps first, and threaten litigation against BMWNA. Talked to some second-gen 540i owners. By this time, the engines were fixed, but he heard a bunch of stories about dead clutches and fried throwout bearings and weird gear whines. From both, he heard a litany of complaints about rust, squeaks, disintegrating interior trim, and especially, undebuggable electrical system gremlins. s/b wised up and bought the Benz. Which has been beautifully reliable and trustworthy for him. The only failure of note was the upper wiring harness, which was instantly replaced under warranty with no complaint (and no threat of litigation required). And the car actually remained driveable with the harness impaired. Am actually happy that some people prefer BMWs. Would have paid more for this wonderful car otherwise. Oh, the last time s/b looked at an M3 message board, it was absolutely stuffed with current-generation M3 owners complaining about top end valvetrain noise. And gear whine. And undebuggable electrical gremlins. However, s/b -would- rather drive a BMW than a Cadillac. s/b
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08-13-2002, 05:34 PM
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A Cadillac owner calling MBs "old geezer cars"!?!?!?! That's the most ironic and moronic thing I've heard in a while!
hahaha...If there's any car in the WORLD that I'd associate with "old geezers", it's Cadillac! I wouldn't own any Caddy newer than a 1970. Finding one that old that isn't a complete bucket of rusty bolts would be the challenge! ...the freakshow never ends....  Mike
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08-13-2002, 07:18 PM
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I hate to "name call" but.... this PMC dude is an idiot.
Everyone has an opinion, everyone has likes and dislikes. To try and make yourself look or feel better by pissing on someone else is childish at best. I think this guy has been watching teh X-Files a little too often and thinks that there is a world consipracy against US automakers, he needs to take his head out of his....well you know where! I can't afford any of the new or newer MB's so I drive some older stuff, 73 Unimog, 79 300CD and a 81 300TD. I would like to ask this PMC dude how many 1979 Caddy's are there today that have the same appeal and get as many looks as my 300CD? NONE!!!!! Unless of course you were to dress the caddy up as the typical pimp mobile..but lets not go there. Anyhow, those posts were certainly entertaining.
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08-13-2002, 10:27 PM
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I do have to admit, though, that the '59 Caddy looks nice...especially in wagon form
Always wanted to take one of those and retrofit a Mopar drivetrain in... Yes, I'm sick
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08-14-2002, 12:55 AM
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I went to a Lexus dealership yesterday to check out some of their 'certified' pre-owned. I saw some ES300's for $25k.
I mean that's not too much money.. however I then remember seeing that the local MB dealer sells a few '97 (5-speed + I-6) E320's for $28000!!! Starmark'd too! Oh well.. he kept telling me that the Lexus drives differently than the Benz (smoother, etc.) I believed him to a certain extent. However he could see that I wasn't really impressed. He actually checked out my old turbodiesel and commented on how nice it still looks and that he thinks I'm better off sticking to a Mercedes hehehe.
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