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crash9 · #1 01-13-2006, 11:15 AM

We're reading a lot about Iran's nuclear program lately and I can't see what possible advantage they're after by forcing the confrontation that seems certain to come. Korea was using their program as a simple bargaining chip and maybe to gain some prestige on the world stage, but they didn't seem like the actual threat that Iran is posturing to be.
The Russians are backing Iran's play,but why? Afghanistan, and our support of the Jahadi's, was the straw that broke the back of the Russian economy, and I can't help but conclude that their support of Iran is to do the same thing to us.
We're on the verge of being more a threat because of our consummation than a good customer. By trying to break us the Russians and Chinese will be able to more rapidly move the financial center too the East.
We've sold "bunker buster" bombs to Israel, but if this gets ugly soon we'll be involved just because we're already in the area in force. There's a limit to the credit we can be extended for all our adventures of late, and at the point that it's obvious we'll be unable to service our debt without just printing money, we're toast. - Thoughts

GottaDiesel · #2 01-13-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crash9

We're reading a lot about Iran's nuclear program lately and I can't see what possible advantage they're after by forcing the confrontation that seems certain to come. Korea was using their program as a simple bargaining chip and maybe to gain some prestige on the world stage, but they didn't seem like the actual threat that Iran is posturing to be.
The Russians are backing Iran's play,but why? Afghanistan, and our support of the Jahadi's, was the straw that broke the back of the Russian economy, and I can't help but conclude that their support of Iran is to do the same thing to us.
We're on the verge of being more a threat because of our consummation than a good customer. By trying to break us the Russians and Chinese will be able to more rapidly move the financial center too the East.
We've sold "bunker buster" bombs to Israel, but if this gets ugly soon we'll be involved just because we're already in the area in force. There's a limit to the credit we can be extended for all our adventures of late, and at the point that it's obvious we'll be unable to service our debt without just printing money, we're toast. - Thoughts

If Israel wants us to go to war with Iran, we will. It's as simple as that.

#3 01-13-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

If Israel wants us to go to war with Iran, we will. It's as simple as that.

I agree 100%. After all, we are already doing just that for Israel with IRAQ! Goes to show who the "real" rulers are and who the dumbasses are that are getting their own killed.

GottaDiesel · #4 01-13-2006, 12:33 PM

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I agree 100%. After all, we are already doing just that for Israel with IRAQ! Goes to show who the "real" rulers are and who the dumbasses are that are getting their own killed.

Now, we just have to think of a way to explain this to the rest of the population without coming across as anti-semites. The problem is, the minute a person talks like this the media paints them as Nazi simpathizers. Stupid, I know, but that's the power of the media.

Oh well.

crash9 · #5 01-13-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

If Israel wants us to go to war with Iran, we will. It's as simple as that.

Well you can turn that around. Iran and the rest of the area is all about taking out Israel.

kerry · #6 01-13-2006, 01:09 PM

So if Iran were to gain a nuclear weapon, is it possible that MAD might reduce tensions in the region and force Israel to deal more justly with the Palestinians?

#7 01-13-2006, 01:23 PM

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So if Iran were to gain a nuclear weapon, is it possible that MAD might reduce tensions in the region and force Israel to deal more justly with the Palestinians?

WE CAN'T HAVE THAT NOW......WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!!!!

davidmash · #8 01-13-2006, 01:36 PM

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I agree 100%. After all, we are already doing just that for Israel with IRAQ! Goes to show who the "real" rulers are and who the dumbasses are that are getting their own killed.

Or could it be that we have asked Israel not to make any moves with out consulting teh US first. Israel has no problem fighting for their own interests.

I am guessing that back in the 80's Israel saw the Nuke plant in Iraq as a threat. My guess is they asked the US if they were going to do anything about it. I am guessing we said no so Israel said ok, no problem. They went into Iraq and took it out.

Do you think they would not be willing to do the same for Iran? Do you think the US does not know that? The only reason Israel sat tight and did not turn Iraq into a Glass coffee table durring Bush I little skirmish is bcause the US told them that the US would take care of it and you need to sit tight.

Bottom line is we do not want Israel to do anything because it will threaten our oil supply. When the day comes that Israel lets loose, you will know it by the mushroom clouds that you see on TV rising over the middle east. Either that or the Israely flag flying over one of the former Arab capitols.

davidmash · #9 01-13-2006, 01:37 PM

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WE CAN'T HAVE THAT NOW......WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!!!!

Do you really think Iran having nukes is going to reduce tensions anywhere?

GottaDiesel · #10 01-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Hehe, that's so cute. A reply in this thread thinks Israel could do things on their own without the US. That's a joke. Do they have a single piece of aircraft that we didn't give them? (or bought with our money?)

If Israel is so eager to show that they don't need us... well then, let's stop giving them the billions. I'll be first in line on that vote!

crash9 · #11 01-13-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Hehe, that's so cute. A reply in this thread thinks Israel could do things on their own without the US. That's a joke. Do they have a single piece of aircraft that we didn't give them? (or bought with our money?)

If Israel is so eager to show that they don't need us... well then, let's stop giving them the billions. I'll be first in line on that vote!

Israel Aircraft Industries is globally recognized as a leader in developing military and commercial aerospace technology. This distinction is the result of nearly half-century of designing, engineering and manufacturing, for customers throghout the world.

GottaDiesel · #12 01-13-2006, 02:35 PM

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Israel Aircraft Industries is globally recognized as a leader in developing military and commercial aerospace technology. This distinction is the result of nearly half-century of designing, engineering and manufacturing, for customers throghout the world.

And they did it with no help from the US, right?

dannym · #13 01-13-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Hehe, that's so cute. A reply in this thread thinks Israel could do things on their own without the US. That's a joke. Do they have a single piece of aircraft that we didn't give them? (or bought with our money?)

If Israel is so eager to show that they don't need us... well then, let's stop giving them the billions. I'll be first in line on that vote!

If the Isrealis didn't listen to us Mohamed Atta would still be in an Isreali jail. We definitely need to stop meddling in Mid East affairs.

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Israel Aircraft Industries is globally recognized as a leader in developing military and commercial aerospace technology. This distinction is the result of nearly half-century of designing, engineering and manufacturing, for customers throghout the world.

You can't be serious. Name one aircraft the israelis invented.

crash9 · #14 01-13-2006, 03:10 PM

Israel is more of a high tech center than you may realize. True their aircaft are adapted from the Mirage 5 & Lockheed Martin F-16, but are substaintially different.

Aircraft

Israel’s economic growth for 2005 was the highest in the western world. Gross domestic product rose by 5.2%.

Thia is getting away from the thread though.
If much of the support for Iran comes from some of the same people financing our debt - Where does that leave us?

DieselAddict · #15 01-13-2006, 03:16 PM

Israel did produce the first successful unmanned aircraft (which inspired the design of our Predator) and their military technology is top notch. But they do get a lot of financial assistance from the US, though I'm not sure exactly how much.