An oil industry secret exposed!! - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Cap'n Carageous · #1 12-04-2002, 10:04 AM

I got a laugh out of this. Just thought I'd share it.

autozen · #2 12-04-2002, 11:03 AM

Stephen,

I'm actually responding to your comment about Bosch. You obviously have not dealt with American junk. Detroit wiring is borderline for durability, and the only way you can get the connectors apart is break them. Also there are no connectors to easily replace power mirrors or window regulators. You have to cut wires and splice. There are no ground blocks like you find in Mercedes. I believe NEW Bosch components are the best. Bosch rebuilts on the other hand are another story. My luck with them has been spotty at best.

Everything about American cars is designed to keep production cost down and make them to last a few years. The window regulators are pop riveted in because they weren't meant to be replaced. You should be buying a new model and not fixing the old one.

Anyway these are my thoughts,
Peter

rickg · #3 12-04-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by autozen
Stephen,

I'm actually responding to your comment about Bosch.

Whatever!!!
Thanx for the funny, Cap'n!

Need all the chuckles I can get lately!

Cap'n Carageous · #4 12-04-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by autozen
Stephen,

I'm actually responding to your comment about Bosch. You obviously have not dealt with American junk
Peter

Thanks for setting me straight on that. I was under the impression that my dislike for Bosch was due mainly to the KE III ignition and fuel management system. Difficult to diagnose, tune, unreliable and ridiculously overpriced. I wasn't aware that I was talking about wires, connectors and window regulators.

autozen · #5 12-04-2002, 01:18 PM

Sorry about the confusion. Speaking about the fuel system, I still have to defend Bosch. As a professional MB mechanic I have found the systems to be very reliable. Perhaps you have had some bad luck. I will agree that the components are pricey, but they seldom need replacing. I have seen fuel distributer heads replaced needlessly when proper diagnostics would have pointed to a clogged internal filter screen, a defective EHA, or some such simple problem. It kind of reminds me of the old days when carbureters were replaced like crazy when the carbureter was hardly ever the problem. My biggest complaint with the newer systems that I feel is a big money waste for the owner is the consolidation of relays and computers. It used to be if something like the A/C relay or fuel pump relay took a dump, you simply replaced one inexpensive relay, but not anymore. Now you replace a very expensive box. One thing that MB and BMW enthusists have learned to keep problems down in these systems is to use Chevron gasoline. I'm not a believer in gasoline company claims as a rule, but in this case the Techron really works.

Good luck,
Peter

Kuan · #6 12-04-2002, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by autozen
Sorry about the confusion. Speaking about the fuel system, I still have to defend Bosch. As a professional MB mechanic I have found the systems to be very reliable.

What about early fuel injected VW's?

The pancake engines, you know the one which used exhaust manifold pressure to regulate fuel? LOL... Wonder if G knows about those!

Kuan

rickg · #7 12-04-2002, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kuan
What about early fuel injected VW's? The pancake engines, you know the one which used exhaust manifold pressure to regulate fuel? LOL... Wonder if G knows about those!

Kuan

Those worked great........when they worked

autozen · #8 12-04-2002, 02:33 PM

Kuan,

You're talking about D-JETRONICS. The German word for pressure is drucht.K-JETRONICS is kraft or fuel. L-JETRONICS is for luft or air. If you are snickering about the problems VW had, the explaination is simple. When Bosch designed those earlier systems, MB threw another several million marks to Bosch and told them to improve the systems to MB standards. You will note for example that the VW CIS systems hzd flexible fuel lines and MB always had steel lines. Sounds to me you have fixed on VWs before. I can't say I've ever worked on one; I just read alot which gets me into enough trouble. Auto repair shops get several subscriptions to free professional magazines. They are full of excellent articles written by industry mavens. Steve Brotherton for one has contributed many well written articles. The problem is too many mechanics don't take time to read them. Knowledge is power. I've said it before. You can't go get a box of tools and start wrenching;you need to read for the rest of your life. I have friends in other professions and they are constantly reading publications. That is why I made the statement about carbureters earlier. Good diagnostic skills come from being informed.

BOY DID I GET OFF ON A TANGENT

Later dude,
Peter

Kuan · #9 12-04-2002, 02:53 PM

Peter,

You're supposed to laugh at D-Jet

Laugh! Those things were a rolling joke! Yes, I think we're all snickering here!

Kuan

Cap'n Carageous · #10 12-04-2002, 02:54 PM

All this talk about Bosch has ruined my thread,

I wanted to make people smile. Now I'm thinking about that fuel distributor again that costs more than the car is worth!!

rickg · #11 12-04-2002, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Cap'n Carageous
All this talk about Bosch has ruined my thread, I wanted to make people smile.

Sorry 'bout that Cap'n! Actually, I'm having fun

And I STILL like the sign. (I copied it and sent to my brother) It's all good!

Cap'n Carageous · #12 12-04-2002, 03:18 PM

O'kay, trying to get the feeling back. Here's another one.

G-Benz · #13 12-04-2002, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kuan
What about early fuel injected VW's? The pancake engines, you know the one which used exhaust manifold pressure to regulate fuel? LOL... Wonder if G knows about those!

Kuan

Yeah, I knew about those!!!

$500 to replace the chip if it went bad! Lots of complaints about it in those days.

Fortunately for me, VW went to EFI in 1974, so I had the last of the un-smog plumbed, carbureted motors!

I can't comment on all Bosch components, but I have to side with autozen about the American counterparts.

My hot-rodded VW would eat just about every known American-made ignition coil within a month. I swapped out the stock Bosch for some of those cool high-performance chrome jobbies, only to have them wind up as paperweights a few weeks later.

I finally gave up and went to a Bosch Blue Coil (albeit with a polished slip-on cover

), and to this day (five years later) it still does the job!

rickg · #14 12-04-2002, 03:28 PM

In defense of Bosch, I know the system on the early 80's Audis were great. Never had to touch any of them I've owned, and most had lotsa miles. Had to replace one injector on the '83 5000, but that's it. Was that the J-tronic or K-tronic? Whichever they were, they worked great.

Cap'n Carageous · #15 12-04-2002, 03:39 PM

I give up!

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