Since the Afgan war I have not met one person that was just in the Army, Navy Air Force or Marines of a Army Sniper or something. One guy was telling me he was a Ranger and did not know the Ranger Motto "Rangers Lead the Way" he said he forgot how can you forget something you say 10000 times a day for 8 weeks? You are tested in the history of the Rangers in Ranger school.

I am on a crusade to embarass all of these evil doers so I devote this thread to helping anyone that would like to challenge some idiot.

Keep in mind that the Army only puts 56 people through sniper training a year. The odds of you knowing ANY Rangers, Sniper, SF Recon marines are very remote unless you are active military.

When you say that the Army only puts 56 soldiers through sniper training mean that there are only 56 additional Rangers allowed per year?

Or, can you be sent to sniper training without being a Ranger?

I read the book Blackhawk Down, and saw the movie about 6 times. I've become fascinated about the Delta Force. It appears that the "military establishment" denied they even existed for many years, but now they at least acknowledge their existence.

Do you know how many Delta Force soldiers are created every year?

I have read that you cannot volunteer to be a Delta Force soldier. They are selected by the Delta Force, and only from the Special Operations, i.e. Seals, Rangers, etc.

Have you ever met or seen a Delta Force operator?

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The Government has been denying Delta Force's existence until recently. Currently they are believed to be 3000-4000 strong.



Probably, but if I didn't I would never know since who they are and what they do is classified anyone that says they are Delta Force is lying.


Very few Rangers go through Sniper school, they are trained to be proficient on all weapons though.

Sniper School is available to pay grads E-4 and above and cannot have ANY history of drug, alcohol abuse or ANY disciplinary action ever these are unwaiverable.




I have no clue nor does anyone else.




True.

I think there is I have heard of it but don't know for sure. I will look.

What everyone is told they should do when they get out of the service... is to go straight to their local courthouse and register their dd214...
But you should be able to check some way through the service.. but may help a lot to ask what their serial number was.....
There are guys that specialize in checking out their claims....

My younger brother [16] works at the VFW for their fish frys on friday nights and those talking to those guys, you'd think that they each, single handedly ended what ever war they supposedly served in. The worst part is that my brother believes it. It has been my experience that those that truly experienced war don't join the VFW, while those that feel they need to make up for their cowardace join the VFW. No offense to anyone that served our great country and is in the VFW, it just seems to be that way to me...

No hi-jacking here

My main intent of the post was to help non-military folks better understand the fact that most of the people that say they are seals or whatever are not.

It just drives me nutz to hear kids on leave from the Navy say "wrestling practice was harder than Seal training" or "What I did was top secret classified stuff" anyone that is, was, or even knew about any "special" covert missions surely would not be talking about it.

My brother for example is Ranger, SF and whatever, I know this for a fact since I have attended his graduations and it's unlikely a Lt. Col. Career officer would be wearing unauthorized badges or awards to work.

He NEVER has spoke about anything he has done, or his whereabouts. This is a professional, not some guy having beer with someone trying to get attention.

I rarely speak about my military service with anyone out of fear I will have to emarass them in front of thier children and families, because 99% of the time they are full of BS, and having lived the real thing I can spot it a mile away.

I know how that goes. My brother-in-law is Special Forces and has been active since the outbreak of the Afghan war. He is a lawyer and has had to give up his private practice to do this.

The military paid his way through college and now he's paying them back with his service. He rarely talks about what he does and has never complained about giving up (for now) his practice and the time he has to spend away from my step-sister and their two month old daughter.

You can't brag to receive honor, you have to earn it.

Hi,

If you come across someone claiming to be an Ex-SEAL ask him what TV show he was on:-) Seems like every action hero is one these days:-)

There are a few questions they can answer without divulging state secrets:

What class were you in? (Not sure what number they are up to now, but it has to be near 300 or so)

Where did you do BUDS training?
(Coronado usually, Can't recall if they train at Little Creek, VA)

Where were you stationed? (Coronado or Little Creek.)

They are not Rambos either. They usually talk about what their team did and not about their individual exploits.

We have an associate who was a Ranger. He never talks about operational specifics, unless it's been declassified.

Best,

This is a neat thread!

I find that those individuals that are/were part of some "elite" military squad are generally tight-lipped about it. If they brag about it, chances are, they weren't a part of it.

My dad had an illustrious career in the Army and fought in Korea and Vietnam. He wasn't a part of any of the special forces, but nevertheless, he has NEVER shared any of his war experiences with me.

I had a former co-worker who spared no effort to convince the rest of us that he was a Navy Seal! None of us bought it, though. I don't think the Navy would have anything to do with him, either.

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I used to work with a guy who was the equivalant of a seal during WWII. He didn't talk about it much but I think he probably killed more people than I pass on the freeway in the morning.

I do remember talking about rocket failures (we built rockets together) and how big of a bang they make. He indicated he didn't think it would be that big. I asked him exactly what he thought big was. He said "Hydrogen bombs!" It turns he set some off when that stuff was going on

No Ranger "was" a Ranger you are taught that once you’re a Ranger you’re always a Ranger even when you’re dead. They never send you a newsletter letting you know anything has been declassified either. Rangers also rarely if ever go on classified missions it's not what Rangers are trained to do. Rangers fight in company size units which when they are doing their job as trained it's very hard to hide. SF on the other hand is special unconventional warfare they usually take on these covert missions. Try testing your coworker on that one.

A good SF quiz is asking him who the father of SF is.
The answer is COL.
AARON BANK. He was a behind the lines OSS type during WWII and then became
the first commander of the 10th Special Forces group in 1960 in Bad Tolez
Germany. The group remained in Bad Tolez until 1995 when they moved the
first Battalion to Stuttgart, where they are today. The Group HQ is, of
course at Ft. Carson.

Anyone that claims to be SF will know this or they are lying no question about it.

And for the Ranger quiz ask For the Ranger motto and graduating class #.

Hi,

We were comfortable with his answers to our questions. You are correct about once a Ranger... That was my error in phrasing.

Yes, he was/is SF as his missions were behind the "Curtain". No, he could not talk about specifics, so his missions are still classified. He did work within a team and not solitary. Very much a team-oriented guy.

However, I asked about when he could talk about them. He said probably not during his lifetime. They do keep in touch with one another though -- at least at his level. He still speaks with buddies at the Pentagon.

Our company has someone on the inside at the Pentagon making fact checking easy:-) We do not abuse that privilage though. The two people met at an investor meeting and a few phone calls were made to confirm his previous employment. Turns out they knew a number of the same people.

I like questions you offer. They are good ones for others to follow.

Regards,

You do not have to be active military to know SF personnel. I am a reserve Drill Sergeant and we get a lot of ex SF people in our unit. The public has made a great deal out of these guys like they are super human or something. They are not. This is why so many people claim to be ex. this or ex. that. These guys are initially, at least, well trained but can and do go to pot without constant training. I know "former" (fill in the blank) that could not run the block if their life depended on it.
I am a member of the VFW and the American Legion and I am proud of it! These organizations do a lot for their communities. And yes, I served in Desert Storm and proud that I was able to serve. I don't tell war stories.
One last piece of advice. NO military school can come close to training a person like you can train yourself. We all possess the drive to do great things. Any service school must cater to the group. Individuals, however, can push themselves to greater limits than any group can. Now I am talking about hard training paired with common sense. I have been accused of being too serious minded on this site. This is exactly the type of training mentality I am talking about! Schools end. Service ends. The warrior trains for life! It is a lifestyle!
Robert Davis

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Robert, big Smokey the bear hats off to you!

I agree with you(almost). Service schools and special individual training help you explore you outer limits that most people would never explore if they did not have a team, black hat, or DS helping them explore those possibilities.

As for the "The warrior trains for life! It is a lifestyle!" yip whoo ah 100% Lead the way baby!

I still would like this thread to helping other expose wannabe's. Please help I am sure you can help shed light on this stuff. Keep in mind I started this thread because I am so sick and tired of everybody that was or wasn't in the military feeding a line of crap.