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Old 02-16-2004, 03:10 PM
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Turbo-Rolf

Will Turbo-Rolf be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Will he be the reason Germany makes the Autobahn a completely speed-restricted network of roads?

Would you ever ride in a car as a passenger when the driver is doing 155mph on a public highway? Tell me what you think of Turbo-Rolf? What do you think of the girl?

www.stern.de/politik/panorama?id=520023


I'll try to find an English translation for those whose German is rusty.

Here you go www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,588-996280,00.html


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Old 02-16-2004, 04:50 PM
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Poor investigation by the Times.



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, has triggered a national debate about the ethics of uncontrolled speeding on Germany’s motorways.
I live here in Germany, about 50 miles off the place where the accident did happend.

There is no national debate about the ethics of uncontrolled speeding. Not in the papers, not on the internet. The issue is the nature of this kind of drivers, not about the restrictions.

Also, it was not a gold SLK (although his privat vehicle is a gold SLK) but when the accident happend he was driving a test mule CL 600 which he had to bring from Esslingen (acctually right down the road from where I live) to the test track in Papenburg. It is a 620 km drive, which he did in little more than four hours...

Anyway. The verdict is expected for wednesday. I keep you informed.

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Old 02-16-2004, 05:07 PM
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Whether the accused is going to jail or not is another issue. I can't imagine any driver killed two innocent people can live his life without guilt or remorse What goes around comes around. The killer will get his punishment in one form or another.
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Old 02-16-2004, 08:32 PM
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Turbo-rolf...sounds industrially uncomfortable and very personal.

I'll pass. So to speak.

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Old 02-17-2004, 01:27 AM
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Right lane was a truck. Middle lane was a light truck passing the other truck. She was passing the light truck in the left lane doing 95 mph (which is not that slow anyway)

The CL was closing in at 155 mph within centimeters to the Kia. That frightend her and she lost control trying to get out of the way. According to one witness the CL was trying to pass on the meridian with the left tires on the grass.

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Old 02-17-2004, 01:53 AM
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The killer will get his punishment in one form or another.
The killer!? Easy now.. It's not like he chainsaw-massacred the woman and child, although it looks like he was the reason the woman lost control over the car.

Anyone who's been driving on the Autobahn knows that in the fast lane, cars comes up like missiles from behind..

What happened in this case was a driver who counted on the other drivers ability to see him coming from behind and get out of the way -and a driver who didn't live up to these expectations..

In my book anyone who deliberately runs a red light should be punished harder than this guy..

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The killer!? Easy now.. It's not like he chainsaw-massacred the woman and child, although it looks like he was the reason the woman lost control over the car.

Anyone who's been driving on the Autobahn knows that in the fast lane, cars comes up like missiles from behind..

What happened in this case was a driver who counted on the other drivers ability to see him coming from behind and get out of the way -and a driver who didn't live up to these expectations..

In my book anyone who deliberately runs a red light should be punished harder than this guy..

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What happens, just what happens, the victims were your loved ones. Do you still defend the killer or do you tell the deceased that they were just too dumb and too slow to get out of the way? You can drive like missles on the left lane, but that does'nt give you the right to run some one off the road!!! You need to have good judgement also!!! Think again. I like to drive fast too, but not recklessly!
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What happens, just what happens, the victims were your loved ones. Do you still defend the killer or do you tell the deceased that they were just too dumb and too slow to get out of the way? You can drive like missles on the left lane, but that does'nt give you the right to run some one off the road!!! You need to have good judgement also!!! Think again. I like to drive fast too, but not recklessly!
'Turbo-Rolf' predicted that the other driver would keep an eye on her rearview mirror and see him come. He predicted wrong! He predicted so wrong it cost the lives of two people. And there shall be no doubt about that it was wreckless of him to do so.
But in my book a killer is someone who kills on purpose. And i really don't think Turbo-Rolf had any intentions of doing that.

If you cut a tree down in your garden and it falls the wrong way and lands on top of your neighbour sitting in his garden chair, then you predicted wrong. But should people then call you a killer?

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Old 02-17-2004, 05:04 PM
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I would think they call him negligent and prosecute accordingly.
In the US I guess that would mean manslaughter or negligent homicide, neither of which sound much better than killer.
Tragic, really tragic.
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Old 02-17-2004, 05:15 PM
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Tomorrow is the verdict, I will keep you posted.

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I'm surprised this thread didn't take off like wildfire.

BTW, what time of day did the accident occur? Thank you Eberhard, everyone is on pins and needles.
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Old 02-18-2004, 01:40 AM
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Around six in the morning.

The driver left Sindelfingen at 5.20 or 5.30 (the gas station receipt says 5.20, he claims it was 5.30) and the accident happend about 80 km down the road. These ten minutes are important, because the driver claims, that he came to the spot after the accident happend and that he saw the first police car.

Nevertheless, the Autobahnpolizei tried to cover the 80 km within 30 Minutes with a Audi Quattro and made it in time.

Pretty much every statement the driver gave so far was dubious and questionable. The other witnesses, hardly remember their name in front of the court. It is a disgrace.

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Old 02-18-2004, 06:50 AM
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Here we go:

18 months without probation for negligent manslaughter and negligent operating of a motor vehicle. His drivers licence will be suspended for another year. He will loose his job at DC.

He is going to file an apeal.

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Old 02-18-2004, 08:31 AM
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Seems like a real short sentence that caused two deaths! The real issue is that obviously the driver had no remorse because he denied it all My deepest sympathy to the victims' family. Thanks for keeping us informed. This is a lesson for all drivers, never ASSUME what the other driver would do, OBSERVE.

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