Another "I told you so".....Gun control movement losing momentum. - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

mikemover · #1 05-22-2004, 01:14 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120638,00.html

An excerpt:

Friday, May 21, 2004
By John R. Lott, Jr.

What is happening to the gun control movement?

This month, the Million Mom March in Washington drew an anemic showing of only 2,000 people, while this year, all of the Democratic presidential candidates— however unenthusiastically— spoke of Americans’ Second Amendment right to own guns. These are just a few of the signs that the facts finally seem to be catching up to the movement. The future for the movement looks even worse.

Whether the subject is concealed handgun laws or bans on semi-automatic so-called “assault weapons,” gun control debates have been filled with apocalyptic claims about what will happen if gun control is not adopted. One common prediction is that laws allowing the carrying of a concealed weapon will result in crime waves, or permit holders shooting others. However, with 37 states now having right-to-carry laws, and another nine states letting some citizens carry, permit holders have continually shown themselves to be extremely law-abiding. It is becoming more and more difficult to attack those laws.....

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Mike

Botnst · #2 05-22-2004, 01:33 AM

Do terrorists have a 3 day wait?

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moparmike · #3 05-22-2004, 03:06 AM

I still want to know what an assault weapon is. I know what an assault rifle is, but few people own one as it is regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 where people have to pay a $200 tax stamp and jump through lots of legal hoops for firearms that can shoot more than one bullet per trigger squeeze, but I dont know what an Assault Weapon is.

It sounds like something I could commit assault with. But I am surrounded by litterally thousands of those things at this very moment...coins, books, cups, a fan, a computer, its peripherals, my shoes....the list is endless...

Botnst · #4 05-22-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by moparmike
I still want to know what an assault weapon is. I know what an assault rifle is, but few people own one as it is regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 where people have to pay a $200 tax stamp and jump through lots of legal hoops for firearms that can shoot more than one bullet per trigger squeeze, but I dont know what an Assault Weapon is.

It sounds like something I could commit assault with. But I am surrounded by litterally thousands of those things at this very moment...coins, books, cups, a fan, a computer, its peripherals, my shoes....the list is endless...

Doesn't an assault weapon have a bayonet lug? See, that's why you can't buy a coffee cup with a bayonet lug.

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KirkVining · #5 05-22-2004, 11:54 AM

Gun Control is a victim of 911. That proved that terrorists can operate within the country, showing the original reasoning behind the second amendment to be correct. The dems have pretty much dropped it. I don't think its going to be a big issue anymore. I do think that any laws that can be strengthed to keep guns from falling into the hands of people under 18 is still a good idea.

moparmike · #6 05-22-2004, 03:32 PM

Kirk, not to flame you, but are you saying that people under the age of 16 shouldnt be able to hunt with the .30=30 that dad gives them or lends them? We all know that the 2nd Amendment isnt about hunting*, but there are still places that dont think twice about it when there is a 16 yr old out with a scoped thutty-thutty before dawn waiting for deer. Of course, his dad is usually out within half a mile too. But during hunting season, seeing someone under the age of 18 by themselves usually doesnt raise much suspicion.

*The exceptions to this rule include:
Sen. Kennedy, who tried to ban all centerfire rifle ammo, and listed .30-30 as a terrorist weapon

Sen. Kerry, who voted with Kennedy and is phony about the 2nd all the way. Always mentions hunting with the RKBA. And most importantly, came back to restrict the RKBA on SUPER TUESDAY when he hadnt voted in months.
Sen. Finestein who has been fellating the Brady Bunch and the MMM for years now.
Sen. Boxer, who seems to just do what Finestein tells her to do.
Sen. Schumer, who follows the above's lead, all the while being photographed shooting a full-auto gun that has been restricted since 1934, he didnt get turned into a baby-killing monster because of the 'power in his hands', and yet tells people that is what the AWB is about.

This is not meant to start a Kerry or whomever bashing fest, merely to point out the facts about the above hypocrites.

Botnst · #7 05-22-2004, 03:37 PM

I killed my first deer when I was 13 using my Dad's .30/30. I learned to gut, skin, and process the meat and edible organs.

I still have that rifle.

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mikemover · #8 05-22-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Botnst
I killed my first deer when I was 13 using my Dad's .30/30. I learned to gut, skin, and process the meat and edible organs.

I still have that rifle.

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Well, obviously that makes you a crazed, gun-toting psychotic NRA fanatic! There outta' be a law!

Mike

KirkVining · #9 05-22-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by moparmike
Kirk, not to flame you, but are you saying that people under the age of 16 shouldnt be able to hunt with the .30=30 that dad gives them or lends them? We all know that the 2nd Amendment isnt about hunting*, but there are still places that dont think twice about it when there is a 16 yr old out with a scoped thutty-thutty before dawn waiting for deer. Of course, his dad is usually out within half a mile too. But during hunting season, seeing someone under the age of 18 by themselves usually doesnt raise much suspicion.

*The exceptions to this rule include:
Sen. Kennedy, who tried to ban all centerfire rifle ammo, and listed .30-30 as a terrorist weapon
Sen. Kerry, who voted with Kennedy and is phony about the 2nd all the way. Always mentions hunting with the RKBA. And most importantly, came back to restrict the RKBA on SUPER TUESDAY when he hadnt voted in months.
Sen. Finestein who has been fellating the Brady Bunch and the MMM for years now.
Sen. Boxer, who seems to just do what Finestein tells her to do.
Sen. Schumer, who follows the above's lead, all the while being photographed shooting a full-auto gun that has been restricted since 1934, he didnt get turned into a baby-killing monster because of the 'power in his hands', and yet tells people that is what the AWB is about.

This is not meant to start a Kerry or whomever bashing fest, merely to point out the facts about the above hypocrites.

I think kids should be able to hunt only with an adult present. Heck, I started hunting with my dad when I was 8 and was hunting on my own by 13, but this is a different world. What I don't want to see is kids buying guns or ammo under the age of 18 or possessing weapons under that age. I am sorry it would affect 16 year kids who want to hunt alone, but here in Houston we've got big gang problems, and when the cops stop these guys they need to be able to take their guns away. If we give them an out, they'll just say the mac 10 is for deer hunting. Its a changed world, changed from when I was a kid.

Botnst · #10 05-22-2004, 06:12 PM

I agree with that. I think kids need more parental supervision, with or without the presence of a weapon. If there's a weapon present, it is insane not to have a parent deeply involved in the kid's life. Like going hunting and stuff. Doesn't mean mom and dad have to sit in the tree with the kid. Its a gradual process. Like learning to drive. Take it a step at a time and be there all the time until the kid shows some responsibility. Then you gradually release the vice-like grip on their little lives. They need freedom to learn responsibility and responsibility is the natural partner of freedom.

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Snibble · #11 05-22-2004, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Botnst
I killed my first deer when I was 13 using my Dad's .30/30. I learned to gut, skin, and process the meat and edible organs.

I still have that rifle.

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So YOU are the one that killed Bambi!

Botnst · #12 05-22-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Snibble
So YOU are the one that killed Bambi!

Tasty little scamp, too!

KirkVining · #13 05-22-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Botnst
I agree with that. I think kids need more parental supervision, with or without the presence of a weapon. If there's a weapon present, it is insane not to have a parent deeply involved in the kid's life. Like going hunting and stuff. Doesn't mean mom and dad have to sit in the tree with the kid. Its a gradual process. Like learning to drive. Take it a step at a time and be there all the time until the kid shows some responsibility. Then you gradually release the vice-like grip on their little lives. They need freedom to learn responsibility and responsibility is the natural partner of freedom.

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Not only that, kids are just growing up later. I swear my two 20 somethings are really about 16, so they just now should be allowed to hunt on their own. I hear that from a lot of other parents.

mikemover · #14 05-22-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by KirkVining
Not only that, kids are just growing up later. I swear my two 20 somethings are really about 16, so they just now should be allowed to hunt on their own. I hear that from a lot of other parents.

Finally, something we can agree on!

When you say "personal responsibility" to most 18-21 year-olds nowadays, they look at you like you're speaking in Klingon or something.

Mike

moparmike · #15 05-22-2004, 08:21 PM

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I agree with that. I think kids need more parental supervision, with or without the presence of a weapon. If there's a weapon present, it is insane not to have a parent deeply involved in the kid's life. Like going hunting and stuff. Doesn't mean mom and dad have to sit in the tree with the kid. Its a gradual process. Like learning to drive. Take it a step at a time and be there all the time until the kid shows some responsibility. Then you gradually release the vice-like grip on their little lives. They need freedom to learn responsibility and responsibility is the natural partner of freedom.

Bot, that is just common sense. I dont advocate just handing a 10yr old a rifle and saying "go kill sumthin."

I represent that age group Mike! But I obviously know what personal responsibility is too...