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Dimmi 01-09-2005 07:24 PM

My w210 (E320, 1996) Won’t start
 
My problem is as follows:

I turn the key - and nothing. Won’t even crank. My battery is new any fully charged.
The head lights do not faint during the attempt. Other electrical equipment looks fine. After several attempt usually the car starts. It cannot be the imobiliser, since the car should crank even though the key has not been identified by the system. I’m suspecting than the sensor for the gear shifter is faulty (any one know where this one is located). Any suggestions?


Thanks in advance

Arthur Dalton 01-09-2005 07:36 PM

Did you try "N" ???????????

Dimmi 01-09-2005 07:43 PM

Sure did, however did not help.

Norman123 01-13-2005 06:34 PM

I had the same thing happen on my 1996 E320 last year. It turns out that the relay module inside the engine compartment passenger side needed to be replaced. To get to it you have to remove the 4 philip screw holding the lid and the module that has the fuses is the one that has the relays. One of those relays is your starter relay. The entire module that holds the six relays needs to be replaced.

carson356 01-13-2005 07:43 PM

relay
 
it is the K40 relay, the seem to fail quite often. it is in the pass side fues box, it has fuses plugged in to it. if you apply 12 volts to the large purple wire the starter will engage.
Ray
mercedessd@cox.net

Dimmi 01-14-2005 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman123
I had the same thing happen on my 1996 E320 last year. It turns out that the relay module inside the engine compartment passenger side needed to be replaced. To get to it you have to remove the 4 philip screw holding the lid and the module that has the fuses is the one that has the relays. One of those relays is your starter relay. The entire module that holds the six relays needs to be replaced.

This really interesting information. I have post this issue several times without any suggestion on resolution. Bear in mind, that most often there is no problem on starting. Did you guys experience the same? How much did you play for the this part? I have enclosed a link with a picture of the module in question. Please check if it is the module, within the red circle, that you are referring to!

Link to picture:
http://hem.bredband.net/dimtri/

Norm in FL 01-15-2005 10:45 PM

K40 relay
 
If you remove the plastic cover, and resolder the cold joints it may work again. Norm in FL

Dimmi 01-16-2005 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm in FL
If you remove the plastic cover, and resolder the cold joints it may work again. Norm in FL

Not mutch to solder here : http://hem.bredband.net/dimtri/images/spool.jpg

This module looks fine...

joetam 01-16-2005 12:11 PM

I have the same problem with my 2000 E320 and it happened a few times now. It started after a few trial of taking out and re-insert the key. Is the relay problem the only casuse of this problem? How much is the relay?

Norm in FL 01-16-2005 12:34 PM

Dimmi, If you look on the other side of the green ckt. board. You may need an eye loop to see, there are some solder connections that do not make a conn. Norm in FL

Dimmi 01-16-2005 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joetam
I have the same problem with my 2000 E320 and it happened a few times now. It started after a few trial of taking out and re-insert the key. Is the relay problem the only casuse of this problem? How much is the relay?

When you say "the same problem" to you mean that the starter motor DOES NOT turn ? Becuse if it does, I understand that there might be an issue with the CRANKSHAF POSISTION SENSOR (several threads on that issue).
Regarding the price of this module - I will check on Monday. However, I reside in Sweden! In addition, I am not sure that your model has the same relay (bear in mind that my car is a 1996…)

Dimmi 01-16-2005 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm in FL
If you remove the plastic cover, and resolder the cold joints it may work again. Norm in FL

Frankly speaking, I will not attempt any soldering projects on this module (even thought I got masters in electrical engineering :) ).
I will rather purchase a new module and hope that this is the issue. However, since this problem only occurs occasionally it will take some time before I can be confident that I have found resolution.

Nevertheless, I will keep you posted...

Dimmi 01-17-2005 03:59 PM

The price on this module is 1200 SEK in other words approximately 170 $. The funny thing is that you have to return my old one to get a new one…

Norman123 01-18-2005 12:51 PM

I paid for the module $200.00 last January.

Dimmi 01-18-2005 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman123
I had the same thing happen on my 1996 E320 last year. It turns out that the relay module inside the engine compartment passenger side needed to be replaced. To get to it you have to remove the 4 philip screw holding the lid and the module that has the fuses is the one that has the relays. One of those relays is your starter relay. The entire module that holds the six relays needs to be replaced.


After further investigation today I concluded that the K40 module works fine.
I removed the plastic cover on the K40 module (http://hem.bredband.net/dimtri/images/spool.jpg) and check the relays during start. The interesting thing is that the position of the relays where the same during the those times when my car did not crank (starter motor does not turn). Thus I do not think your previous problem is the one I am experiencing right now.
The K40 module does not seem to have any relation/connection to the starter motor.

Was your problem really that the car didn’t crank (starter motor dead!) or was it rather that it cracked but did not fire up?


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