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jbtb1103 05-12-2005 09:49 AM

Help - 95 E320 running rough/idling rough
 
I have a 1995 E320 w/ 180,000 bought used at 145,000. Car has been idling up and down (surging ) for about 4months but yesterday it has started to accelerate sluggishly and this morning it "backfired" on me. Its as if the fuel filter is dirty but I dont think that is the problem. The ECU codes are 10,16 and 19. Could this be a O2 sensor gone bad?

miktvk 05-12-2005 02:02 PM

Sounds more like a bad wiring harness to me. Do a search, massive amount of info on this common E320 defect.

jbtb1103 05-12-2005 02:44 PM

engine runs smooth at idle except for the surge now and then when i "floor it" thats when it sputters. I am having a hard time going up hills

miktvk 05-12-2005 02:47 PM

plugged cat. converter?

jbtb1103 05-12-2005 03:30 PM

funny you would say that. i have a BMW mech friend that i talked to today and says sounds like o2 sensor and/or cat converter going bad. It has had a strong smell like gas /sulphur last 4-5 months you think he is right?

miktvk 05-12-2005 03:58 PM

sounds about right to me.

suginami 05-13-2005 12:27 AM

A surging idle is not caused by a plugged cat.

I'd check for:

1. vacum leak
2. bad mass air meter
3. bad throttle actuator

You also need to replace your engine wiring harness before you do any other diagnostic work.

jbtb1103 05-13-2005 12:35 AM

I went to Maxi muffler and they did a test/ They said that the cat convert was indicating a blockage but not enough to do what its doing. They sd maybe a combo of things. I am taking to Precision Tuneup tomorrow to see what they say. ASE certified so they say......

jrmd01 05-13-2005 02:29 AM

Try changing the coil. I just got my hesitation problem resolved. Look up my last post for the details.

jrmd01

suginami 05-13-2005 02:51 PM

You are ignoring the obvious.

If the idle is fluctuating up and down, it means the mass air meter is struggling to find the proper mixture of air to fuel. It obviously can't.

This means that you either have a vacum leak somewhere in the system, introducing "false air" into the sytem, and preventing the mass air meter from working.

It also might mean that the mass air meter itself has gone bad.

Likewise, a faulty throttle actuator causes the same symptoms.

A problem like yours is very characteristic on this engine. It is always one of the three above issues.

Search the archives. There is tons and tons of info on your issue.

Last, take your car to a Mercedes specialist. The average run-of-the-mill shop will not have the expertise to properly diagnose your car.

Arthur Dalton 05-13-2005 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrmd01
Try changing the coil. I just got my hesitation problem resolved. Look up my last post for the details.

jrmd01

Which one do you suppose he should change ???

jbtb1103 05-13-2005 03:30 PM

As always this website has been always so informative. I thank everyone for their input. It hassaved me hundreds of dollars so far. Anyway,how &where is the throttel actuator and mass air flow? About how much do these itens cost?

J

suginami 05-13-2005 03:50 PM

The mass air meter is in the black plastic tube that connects to the air filter box.

It takes about 10-15 minutes to replace, and costs about $250-ish the last time I checked.

The throttle actuator sits underneath the intake manifold, and costs around $1,500.

With the questions you are asking, I suggest you take it in and have a mechanic that specializes in Mercedes.

Before you spend hundreds of dollars, it could be a simple vacum leak, i.e. cracked hose. There's a switch over valve at the front of the engine with a vacum hose that cracks from heat.

r_p_ryan 05-13-2005 04:20 PM

wiring harness
wiring harness
wiring harness

jrmd01 05-13-2005 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arthur Dalton:
Which one do you suppose he should change ???
On my car (86' 300E), there was only one coil. I'm not sure about the newer models...I think I've read somewhere that there are 3 coils??? In that case, it might be more cost effective to take it to a mercedes mechanic specialist. I paid $145 (one coil), $18 (6 Bosh sparkplugs), $90 (labor + "scope").

Without actually physically inspecting and putting the car through a thorough diagnostic examination, we are all just guessing. But it's nice to know what the POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS are. This problem could be anything from MAS, wiring harness, throttle body, sensors, filters, coil, or even relays.


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