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Old 05-10-2006, 12:16 AM
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In the end, I think the new 7 is aimed more towards the appealing rich young exectutive while the S-Class continues to be a big draw for classy older exectutives. I just think they no longer compete againest each other as they both target a different demographic of rich people. I think BMW did this on purpose, there's only so many expensive car's you could sell to one pool of people.
Hmmmm,

I am 34 and like the new S class much better styling wise than the 7. I would rather an S class any day over the 7. The new 7 was designed by an American designer and certainly smacks of it. The styling is too bold and too far a departure from their current cars. Factor in the gimicky idrive system and you have a highly undesireable automobile for this young professional.

One of the reasons why the high end makes hold their resale value is how they "relate" to one another styling wise. Unlike American cars that change their look completely year after year after year. This slow change is what makes a lot of the higher end cars seem timeless. I still find it amazing that people actually notice my 24 year old 126 sedan.

I think a lot of the reliability surveys are flawed and are politically slanted towards certain car makers. I owned an 02 Accord and bought it because it was very highly reccomended by the automotive press and consumer reporting companies. It turned out to be one of the most annoying cars I have ever owned. A poorly put together car with poor service to match.

Mercedes cars are designed to make it home no matter what. I have been stranded by MANY japanese cars. I have never been stranded by a Mercedes and have driven some really crummy beaters long distances. In fact even most "parts cars" can be made driveable over long distances with a few parts here and there.

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Old 05-10-2006, 03:12 AM
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Hmmmm,

I am 34 and like the new S class much better styling wise than the 7. I would rather an S class any day over the 7. The new 7 was designed by an American designer and certainly smacks of it. The styling is too bold and too far a departure from their current cars. Factor in the gimicky idrive system and you have a highly undesireable automobile for this young professional.

One of the reasons why the high end makes hold their resale value is how they "relate" to one another styling wise. Unlike American cars that change their look completely year after year after year. This slow change is what makes a lot of the higher end cars seem timeless. I still find it amazing that people actually notice my 24 year old 126 sedan.

I think a lot of the reliability surveys are flawed and are politically slanted towards certain car makers. I owned an 02 Accord and bought it because it was very highly reccomended by the automotive press and consumer reporting companies. It turned out to be one of the most annoying cars I have ever owned. A poorly put together car with poor service to match.

Mercedes cars are designed to make it home no matter what. I have been stranded by MANY japanese cars. I have never been stranded by a Mercedes and have driven some really crummy beaters long distances. In fact even most "parts cars" can be made driveable over long distances with a few parts here and there.
Man I should mail you my towing recipts. Hopefully you'll help me pay for some. My car has been towed 3 times in the last 2 weeks. One towing company here has my profile, and I have used their service alone 15 times while i have owned the car. I'm ready to mail them to you if you'll help me pay them.

I have a 92 toyota truck also. 300k, only 7-8 oil changes ever, and never broke down....did the facotry plugs first time 2 months ago cuz i was bored...
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:23 AM
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So?

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Agreed. Much of the flaws with MB vehicles don't manifest themselves in breakdown issues...especially since limp-home mode has been around for over a decade.
And all the other brands mentioned would have had limp home modes when that research was conducted. Its comparing apples with apples.
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Old 05-10-2006, 04:49 AM
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Correction...
if you've ever been to europe...you'll find one big manufacturing warehouse brandishing all three logos side by side...in germany, switzerland and other countries that house PorschVWAudi manufacturing plants...
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I've been to Europe many times. Just because some brands may share parts does not mean they are the same company. Example: The Lotus Elise shares its engine with the Toyota Celica GT-S. Using your reasoning, Lotus and Toyota must be part of the same company, right?
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Old 05-10-2006, 01:15 PM
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One of the reasons why the high end makes hold their resale value is how they "relate" to one another styling wise. Unlike American cars that change their look completely year after year after year. This slow change is what makes a lot of the higher end cars seem timeless. I still find it amazing that people actually notice my 24 year old 126 sedan.

Correct a lot of old money may buy a MB new but keep it for 10-15 years. So if they all look similer people think you have a pretty new car. Take a W210 for example. A real nice 1996 can look like a very late model car to the casual observer. BMW and MB better be carefull if they change their designs to often. Jag does not suffer from this problem, buy a mid 90's and people think its new!

Coming from a conservative 20 year old, I'd buy a W221 before a new 7. The new 7 is to flashy for my tastes.
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As to the validity of the road assistance survey:

In the US, MB provides roadside assistance using their own network of dealer service providers, and use outside non-MB providers where and when they need to. In this scenario MB's would be under-represented in a survey of the general population of U.S. service providers.

Is there the same MB roadside assistance program in Germany? Does BMW etc. offer the same service with their own providers who would not be included in the survey?

Inquiring minds want to know...
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Old 05-10-2006, 06:32 PM
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In Oz, we have one company that performs all the roadside assistance for Audi, Bmw, VW and Benz. I spoke to one of the operators (when I worked for MB) and he said that BMW were over represented and that only about 30% of jobs were MB. Sales of BMW vs MB are in MBs favour here so there are more Benzes on the road too.
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I've been to Europe many times. Just because some brands may share parts does not mean they are the same company. Example: The Lotus Elise shares its engine with the Toyota Celica GT-S. Using your reasoning, Lotus and Toyota must be part of the same company, right?
sorry probably wasn't clear...
never said they were the same company i just said they share the same roof...
or are all under the same manufacturing plant roof...
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Example: The Lotus Elise shares its engine with the Toyota Celica GT-S. Using your reasoning, Lotus and Toyota must be part of the same company, right?
right...but if Lotus and toyota had a manufacturing plant and both brands were displayed side by side as the moniker of the building...
then that would lead me to believe it's more than just parts...
frame...engine...etc.
but lotus doesn't
and toyota doesn't
they all have their independent plants...

vw / porsche / audi ... don't...
the three use 1 facility...
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right...but if Lotus and toyota had a manufacturing plant and both brands were displayed side by side as the moniker of the building...
then that would lead me to believe it's more than just parts...
frame...engine...etc.
but lotus doesn't
and toyota doesn't
they all have their independent plants...

vw / porsche / audi ... don't...
the three use 1 facility...
This is true. They make the Porsche and VW SUV there..and the audi one is coming very soon. Its expected to be midrange between the two trucks. So far the VW truck has been a dud, but the porsche version is their top seller. Strange that VW would pursue a AUdi model.
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Man I should mail you my towing recipts. Hopefully you'll help me pay for some. My car has been towed 3 times in the last 2 weeks. One towing company here has my profile, and I have used their service alone 15 times while i have owned the car. I'm ready to mail them to you if you'll help me pay them.

I have a 92 toyota truck also. 300k, only 7-8 oil changes ever, and never broke down....did the facotry plugs first time 2 months ago cuz i was bored...
ok so why don't you just ditch the Benz and drive the Toyota if its such a superior car. I have had pretty good luck and my 300SD has never seen the likes of a tow truck since I have owned it. I would rather push my huge heavy w-140 on a 90+ degree humid Atlanta day than drive a Toyota.
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ok so why don't you just ditch the Benz and drive the Toyota if its such a superior car. I have had pretty good luck and my 300SD has never seen the likes of a tow truck since I have owned it. I would rather push my huge heavy w-140 on a 90+ degree humid Atlanta day than drive a Toyota.

I love my mercedes, and not my toyota. The toyota is just a commercial vechicle for work. But this toyota with all the neglect has proven to me why toyota keeps winning the most relaible brand awards. Also it flies through emissions testing also, got it done last month, received a 35 second quick pass on a I/M240 test. But then again for every shocked toyota owner like me, their's a dissapointed customer angry at toyota for false advertising their quality. I think alot of it might just be you're luck of the draw.
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ok so why don't you just ditch the Benz and drive the Toyota if its such a superior car. I have had pretty good luck and my 300SD has never seen the likes of a tow truck since I have owned it. I would rather push my huge heavy w-140 on a 90+ degree humid Atlanta day than drive a Toyota.

I love my mercedes, and not my toyota. The toyota is just a commercial vechicle for work. But this toyota with all the neglect has proven to me why toyota keeps winning the most relaible brand awards. Also it flies through emissions testing also, got it done last month, received a 35 second quick pass on a I/M240 test. But then again for every shocked toyota owner like me, their's a dissapointed customer angry at toyota for false advertising their quality. I think alot of it might just be you're luck of the draw.
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ok so why don't you just ditch the Benz and drive the Toyota if its such a superior car. I have had pretty good luck and my 300SD has never seen the likes of a tow truck since I have owned it. I would rather push my huge heavy w-140 on a 90+ degree humid Atlanta day than drive a Toyota.

I love my mercedes, and not my toyota. The toyota is just a commercial vechicle for work. But this toyota with all the neglect has proven to me why toyota keeps winning the most relaible brand awards. Also it flies through emissions testing also, got it done last month, received a 35 second quick pass on a I/M240 test. But then again for every shocked toyota owner like me, their's a dissapointed customer angry at toyota for false advertising their quality. I think alot of it might just be you're luck of the draw.
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ok so why don't you just ditch the Benz and drive the Toyota if its such a superior car. I have had pretty good luck and my 300SD has never seen the likes of a tow truck since I have owned it. I would rather push my huge heavy w-140 on a 90+ degree humid Atlanta day than drive a Toyota.

I love my mercedes, and not my toyota. The toyota is just a commercial vechicle for work. But this toyota with all the neglect has proven to me why toyota keeps winning the most relaible brand awards. Also it flies through emissions testing also, got it done last month, received a 35 second quick pass on a I/M240 test. But then again for every shocked toyota owner like me, their's a dissapointed customer angry at toyota for false advertising their quality. I think alot of it might just be you're luck of the draw.

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